occult powers http://oddbooks.com/ en The Planetarian Apocalypse http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/planetarian-apocalypse <span>The Planetarian Apocalypse</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>16 Jun 2012 - 19:25</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">William Edwards Wootten</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-subtitle">An introduction to cosmic history, including the origin of all psychic as well as natural phenomena, as revealed in the planetarian religion</div> <div class="oddbook__field-publisher d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Publisher<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Exposition Press</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">1956</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/space" hreflang="en">space</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/sex" hreflang="en">sex</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/vampires" hreflang="en">vampires</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/mediumship" hreflang="en">mediumship</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/lone-voices" hreflang="en">Lone Voices</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/planetarian1-small.jpg"><img alt="The Planetarian Apocalypse" height="295" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/planetarian1-small.jpg" data-entity-uuid="03ad0eed-52de-419f-8356-9e8e0307030e" data-entity-type="file" class="align-right align-right" width="200" /></a></p> <blockquote> <p>Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?</p> <p>-- Robert Browning </p> </blockquote> <p><em>The Planetarian Apocalypse</em> is "the definitive work of the Cult of the Universal Spirit of the Planet Earth for the Planetarian Religion". A bold claim, seemingly, except that it would appear that it is the <em>only</em> work of this grandly named cult, and William Edwards Wootten may very well have been its sole member.</p> <p>According to the Planetarians - if I may use the plural - our planet, as every other celestial body, is surrounded by a series of spiritual spheres of existence. From outside in:</p> <blockquote> <p>0. Interplanetary Space: dominated by Cosmic Beings, Chaotic Monsters and Evil Fiends.</p> <p>1. The True Astral: The Planetary Kingdoms of Heaven, the Devil-Gods, and Hell; a palace of the Dweller-by-the-Threshold, the Old-Man-With-the-Lamp, the Seven Judges, Priests of the Temples of Silence, Lords of Life and Death, and other Cosmic Beings. Approximately 1,000,000 miles in diameter.</p> <p>2. The Land of Betwixt and Between: realms of thought forms; eternal records; fields of experimentation and planning; the "back door" of Eternity; strongholds of the Cosmic, the Planetary, the Evil, and the Chaotic. Approximately 500,000 miles in diameter.</p> <p>3. The Physical-Astral: the realms of ascending spirits from the earthbound to those ready to rejoin their Entireties in the Temples of Silence. Seven major realms - planes indeterminate. Strongholds of the Cosmic, the Planetary, the Evil, and the Chaotic. Approximately 100,000 miles in diameter.</p> <p>4. The Earth: which is the core, the Physical, the Mortal Realm of countless planes; strongholds of all Forces. Approximately 8,000 miles in diameter.</p> </blockquote> <p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/planetarian2-small.jpg"><img alt="William Edwards Wootten" height="364" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/planetarian2-small.jpg" data-entity-uuid="47170393-9489-46a5-ac0a-32dfd52a5abf" data-entity-type="file" class="align-right align-right" width="200" /></a>In the True Astral, the different Kingdoms work to a strict shift pattern:</p> <blockquote> <p>First hour of the Devil-Gods: 4:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. First hour of Heaven: 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon. Second hour of Heaven: 12:00 noon to 4:00 p.m. Second hour of the Devil-Gods: 4:00 p.m to 8:00 p.m. First hour of Hell: 8:00 p.m. to 12:00 midnight. Second hour of Hell: 12:00 midnight to 4:00 a.m.</p> </blockquote> <p> If that sounds a bit routine, don't worry, there's one way guaranteed to relieve any boredom:</p> <blockquote> <p>The sex act in the True Astral is performed as it is in Earth.</p> </blockquote> <p>A less pleasant fact is that zombies, werewolves, animated mummies and vampires are all real, and obey the rules familiar to us from the film stables of Universal and Hammer:</p> <blockquote> <p>[The vampire] cannot cross a threshold unless first invited. [...] He may float outside the bedroom of a loved one, and influence that person to dream of him. [...] He fastens his mouth upon the doomed one's throat, punctures the skin with his sharp teeth, and drinks his fill of blood.</p> </blockquote> <p> Wootten has a novel take on the origin of disease:</p> <blockquote> <p>From out of Chaos and Evil comes the disease germ - from the common cold to the vampire curse. The disease germ, conceived in Chaos and Evil, goes through its period of gestation in the astral shell of anyone whose vibrations are so hateful that it is hatched in a safe nest. This fact alone is sufficient to condemn anyone with a bad disposition as Public Enemy No. One!</p> <p>Disease first breaks out in the Astral Shell. It works upward in vibration to infect the soul with spiritual illness, and works downward in vibration to infect the body with physical illness. If the astral shell, prepared by divine nature for just such conditions as this, is weak and is not supported by a strong spirit, another sickness works its way out into the flesh to contaminate humanity.</p> </blockquote> <p>So the best means of warding off infection is "strong spirit". Brandy, perhaps?</p> <p>Wootten is a practitioner of mediumship, and defends its reputation against accusations of fraud. Like the author of <em><a href="/oddbooks/ghostology">Ghostology</a>, </em>he proposes that apparent deceptions by mediums are the work of malicious forces trying to undermine their good work:</p> <blockquote> <p>Again and again have Chaotic Monsters and Evil Fiends so rearranged articles and created situations in the seance room that the medium has been placed in a position that could not but arouse suspicion in the minds of the most impartial investigators.</p> </blockquote> <p>Those dratted Evil Fiends! How's an innocent medium to make an honest crust? But eventually, everything will be OK:</p> <blockquote> <p>Some day, how far removed depending on the fidelity, zeal, and ability of everyone, Chaos and Evil shall be eliminated from our entire solar system. [...] Everyone shall be in the human shape, but a thought-form creation shall provide scenery of surpassing loveliness, through which shall move thought-form creatures of every subhuman species desired. [...] Additional pleasure, as well as increased energy, will be provided by the most delicious and stimulating thought-form food and drink.</p> </blockquote> <p>Not only "food and drink", but also "copulation" will play a major part in this vision of the end times, where finally:</p> <blockquote> <p>[... ] Life, that is never to know Death, and clothed in Beauty absolute, on radiant wings shall soar through the brilliance of the Evermore.</p> </blockquote> <p>No thanks, William. Soaring on radiant wings gets a little boring after a while. That's why they invented Tetris. </p> <p>For all its absurdities, Wootten's vision is no more or less preposterous than those of more widely followed belief systems, so why has the Planetarian Religion failed to catch on? Marketing, or rather the lack of it, is my hypothesis. If only Wootten had sufficiently publicised the fact that his religion included werewolves and vampires, he would surely have won cultists in abundance. To any Planetarians reading this: get hip guys! These are the days of the Information Superhighway, and it's time to climb on board! </p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=974&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="liB_cg6nL5bv3zoKVoTv52syg2Y65eXiSD0wp2e4eQE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1736" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1340757623"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.verprose.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">mangraa (not verified)</a> on 27 Jun 2012 - 02:40</span> <a href="/comment/1736#comment-1736" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1736#comment-1736" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Must...own...a copy of this!</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Must...own...a copy of this!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1736&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="8n6WDy98Zk5wrZZ-_H_66zNo75SRm0LGoUbkwa56SKY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1741" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1345537371"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 21 Aug 2012 - 10:22</span> <a href="/comment/1741#comment-1741" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1741#comment-1741" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Unfortunately the New Age</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Unfortunately the New Age contingent is already so full of these little belief systems that it&#039;s a hard, competitive market.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1741&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="cMUE7xLewbdpzSX6eRG2DnF2bgKY45Q7kK28RC4ZZtY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> </section> Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:25:33 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 974 at http://oddbooks.com The Human Puppet http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/human-puppet <span>The Human Puppet</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>14 Feb 2010 - 20:11</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Zara W. Leach</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-publisher d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Publisher<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Vantage Press</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">1991</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/conspiracy" hreflang="en">conspiracy</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/doctors" hreflang="en">doctors</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/hearing-things" hreflang="en">hearing things</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/hypnosis" hreflang="en">hypnosis</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/lone-voices" hreflang="en">Lone Voices</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p>The Human Puppet is the sad story of a disintegrated mind: a woman convinced that she is being controlled by hypnotic forces emanating from one of her work colleagues. The disturbing fact that while in this clearly delusional state she was employed as a hospital nurse gives her narrative a most peculiar character, one in which her paranoid fantasies are interwoven with the icky mundanities of caring for the ill and infirm.</p> <p>Thus, after describing how she had administered a catheter to a patient without permission, fearing that without it his bladder might burst, she tells how she started feeling uneasy:</p> <blockquote> <p>Something seemed to be going on behind the scenes.  I know of no other way to describe it but to tell it how it seemed to me. I had the distinct impression Dr. Lamprey used hypnosis on his own wife and in her subjugated state he could cause her to be "identified" psychically with another person's psyche and could by doing so "read" this other person's life story and manipulate him or her to some degree while they were closely associated in this manner.</p> </blockquote> <p>This is typical of Nurse Leach's diagnostic approach, in which the unfortunate Dr. Lamprey is held responsible for all sorts of vague bad feelings that she has, without his needing even to be present at the time:</p> <blockquote> <p>Dr. Lamprey's identifying with me was awful uncomfortable. I simply did not know what to do, so I went out to the nurses' station, still not knowing how to cope with the situation. One of the nurses looked toward me, then as if startled took a second look, as if just to make sure what she was seeing was really what she was seeing. Then she made some sort of signal to the other nurse and she went through the same behaviour.</p> </blockquote> <p>No, she hasn't got spinach on her teeth:</p> <blockquote> <p>I went into the ladies' room to see what was so "interesting" that they were now obviously talking to one another about. And I too was startled to find my face was slightly flushed and I did look more like Dr. Lamprey than myself.</p> </blockquote> <p>It's the sort of thing that can wreck your mood, finding your boss is into you and not in a nice way.</p> <p>Desperate to escape Lamprey's invisible influence, Leach writes to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts">Oral Roberts</a>, <a href="http://www.lib.byu.edu/dlib/spc/bach/bio.htm">Marcus Bach</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeane_Dixon">Jeane Dixon</a> for help, but all in vain. Using his occult powers to control her, he finally gets her fired, by making her perform a weird (if disappointingly mild) act of unprofessional behaviour towards a comatose patient:</p> <blockquote> <p>Because of her open lesions, Mrs. Blimp had a metal cradle up over her so the bed linen did not touch her body directly. [...] I took all of Mrs. Blimp's linens off and dropped them right on the floor - something I would never do [...] Then I took the metal cradle off her and put it in the far corner of the room. [...] I stood at the head of the patient's bed and had to stand there in that cataleptic state and wait for the inspector I knew was coming to view the mess.</p> </blockquote> <p> Even after she leaves the hospital, Lamprey continues his evil work upon her, causing her to drive incautiously and even to put her hand into a kitchen wringer. She makes contact on the astral plane with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Cannon_%28psychiatrist%29">Alexander Cannon</a>, but cannot decide whether he is friend or foe, in league with Dr. Lamprey or against him:</p> <blockquote> <p>It seemed as though Dr. Lamprey had informed Dr. Cannon I was an oversexed hussy and all I needed to put things right was to get over my overly pronounced prudishness.</p> </blockquote> <p>Sounds plausible. Finally, things come to a head when one of her car accidents results in her having to pay "court costs of fifty-three dollars and twenty dollars to the woman who had offered to testify against me." Sinisterly, not only had hypnosis caused the accident but it was also used against her in the court room, to make her unable to speak out and reveal the terrible truth.</p> <p>Nothing very bad happens to Leach, nor, even more mercifully, to those in her care. She hints in a mysterious way about the universe taking its revenge on Dr. Lamprey for his crimes yet as far as one can tell this cosmic justice takes place in the same dimension as much else in this book - in the unhappy mind of its unfortunate author. Not recommended as hospital bedside reading, it goes without saying.</p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=958&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="qWSLqf3-LoRL-ulexzomgKKkwP-RSeQwLbCwHenZK3E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-666" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266176044"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Aria (not verified)</span> on 14 Feb 2010 - 20:34</span> <a href="/comment/666#comment-666" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/666#comment-666" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You are right, Mr.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You are right, Mr. Armstrong. This sounds like the story of one woman's painful disintegration. I hope she got the help she needed.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=666&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="mDb0mM5TFyqW_NlF8ulsYc9bdo-LJfgSKh-h61xdEA8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-667" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266179441"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Art Layton (not verified)</span> on 14 Feb 2010 - 21:30</span> <a href="/comment/667#comment-667" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/667#comment-667" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I love the names; nurse</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I love the names; nurse leach and dr. lamprey. And I never underestimate the prevalance of drugs in human society.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=667&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="YF3Gx5cu7jd5lQxcCpQSwEXVAVQHSc3D6dLSsvwwcXE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-669" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266184590"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Cuyler Brooks (not verified)</span> on 14 Feb 2010 - 22:56</span> <a href="/comment/669#comment-669" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/669#comment-669" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">It is horrifying that a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">It is horrifying that a woman so afflicted was caring for helpless patients!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=669&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="4WNcJQ1NsrF_GZ478OOo1vgL_F68p19OQIm7IlqOaIQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-670" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266205721"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bitterlybooks.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bitterly Books (not verified)</a> on 15 Feb 2010 - 04:48</span> <a href="/comment/670#comment-670" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/670#comment-670" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Nurse Leach may not be</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Nurse Leach may not be directly related to James Tilly Matthews, but does she ever suggest that Dr. Lamprey got hold of an Air Loom? It would go a long way towards explaining his other-worldly abilities.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=670&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Mj4VJBEx36y-uvKS8quDoyOTzwDkNnIDw4_qyxI1GPk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-671" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266226917"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 15 Feb 2010 - 10:41</span> <a href="/comment/671#comment-671" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/671#comment-671" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I hadn&#039;t heard of Matthews -</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I hadn't heard of Matthews - what a void in my education. Nurse Leach is much less inventive in her fantasies.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=671&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="rwojrpfE9582wZkczXXbH7YwLwRFpXWXUP3lNinw2Ow"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/670#comment-670" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Nurse Leach may not be</a> by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bitterlybooks.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bitterly Books (not verified)</a></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-673" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266326343"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bookunusualness.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gadfly Honeychute (not verified)</a> on 16 Feb 2010 - 14:19</span> <a href="/comment/673#comment-673" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/673#comment-673" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The nurse&#039;s experiences also</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">The nurse's experiences also seem to chime with those of the lawyer Daniel Schreber (although Schreber's are perhaps slightly more 'epic').</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=673&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="yLJ24ymUCidzz7O0wxuVQdKHGFEHmAdclWGW6ZloZos"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1567" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1320459394"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kristofer Davis (not verified)</span> on 05 Nov 2011 - 03:16</span> <a href="/comment/1567#comment-1567" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1567#comment-1567" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This is my great aunt&#039;s book,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">This is my great aunt's book, and I was wondering how I could get a copy? I'm just finding out about all this today. please contact me with how you came about getting the book.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1567&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="xmutM23H4iIO9uUGZhF4S8cEUCWcuYrcEreSXVahfzY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1569" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1320496235"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 05 Nov 2011 - 13:30</span> <a href="/comment/1569#comment-1569" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1569#comment-1569" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Thanks for the question,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Thanks for the question, Kristofer. I have answered by email.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1569&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="5lKWBuBvJRih5QoZn5MDFy6bNAlfouSbEJ5uCjeaMf0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1567#comment-1567" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This is my great aunt&#039;s book,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kristofer Davis (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1663" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1328173654"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 02 Feb 2012 - 10:07</span> <a href="/comment/1663#comment-1663" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1663#comment-1663" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">There is a great seminal book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">There is a great seminal book out there titled "future of the body" which in parts explains these phenomena. It's a good read. That's for the article.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1663&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="q_vzS_916ET_8J4GEt0gE4kRIYaEXIIlQ6cn27yOh_8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> </section> Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:11:17 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 958 at http://oddbooks.com Eternally Yours Faithfully http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/eternally-yours-faithfully <span>Eternally Yours Faithfully</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>10 Jan 2010 - 14:19</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Roy Radford, Evelyn Gregory</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-publisher d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Publisher<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Capall Bann Publishing</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">2000</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/spirits" hreflang="en">spirits</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/dead-pets" hreflang="en">dead pets</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/ooh-spooky" hreflang="en">Ooh, Spooky</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/eternally.jpg"><img alt="Eternally Yours Faithfully" data-entity-type="file" data-entity-uuid="2cee688f-f4fc-449e-bcbb-154f16259800" height="283" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/eternally.jpg" width="200" class="align-right" /></a>This charming little item is, like <a href="/oddbooks/animals-and-birds-redeemed-death">The Animals and Birds Redeemed from Death</a>, an attempt to persuade the reader of the reality of an afterlife for members of the animal kingdom, in this case specifically pets.</p> <p>Our former pussies and pooches, it claims, return to earth in spirit guise to watch over us and provide guidance in our daily lives. Somehow in death these creatures acquire wisdom and insight not granted to them in their physical existence, when it would have been much more useful. (A woman I once overheard plaintively asking her dog to "hurry up, you know the plumber's coming this morning" might have received a more helpful response, for a start.)</p> <p>To support their heartwarming thesis, the authors quote the personal testimony of many correspondents, though - since some of them appear to be lacking their full quota of marbles - the result is hardly convincing. My favourite example is this progressively strange offering from someone identified only as "A C P" regarding her dog, Sadie:</p> <blockquote> <p>When she reached 12 years old, she was ready to return to Spirit. I have worked for Spirit as a medium and healer for over 40 years, so I have had many wonderful experiences, and so there is so much to learn about animals. They all have a counterpart, just as all life on earth has a counterpart. I got told by my teachers that if I took care of Sadie and she progressed sufficiently, in her next life she would be ready for human form.</p> <p>When Sadie passed, Spirit informed me that she would be used in America with the police dogs helping to sniff out the drugs etc. A handler would bring her to me from time to time which made us both so happy.</p> <p>After 6 years she was brought to England to work and after being in Spirit for 10 years she was then being prepared for the human form, 2 years ago she was born into China as a female. Perhaps when I return to Spirit I shall be able to see her, my family all loved her so much.</p> <p>This house here that I live in is a power house. I know so many public figures who are brought here to regenerate before moving on to their rightful place, there are always Spirit animals running up and down my stairs. A crocodile is often brought here to find out the overloaded spots of power in this room. I have also seen a huge Spirit tarantula walking up the side of my son's face to find the communicating lines which are as fine as a spider's web. So much that I can tell you I have been hugged by monkeys and stroked their silken coat, touched a huge snake to overcome my fear.</p> <p>All sorts of animals have been in this house brought by the teachers as a protection on their journey. If only everyone would know of this truth there would be less cruelty towards all animals and they would be loved and helped on their way to progression.</p> </blockquote> <p>"A crocodile is often brought here to find out the overloaded spots of power in this room."? You won't find a sentence like that in your latest Dan Brown or Marcel Proust blockbuster, will you?</p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=956&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="YzTuW0bdFEEKTpi443FjNE7ku-T2EHWScwBInKBQxbw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-614" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263156695"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Aria4567 (not verified)</span> on 10 Jan 2010 - 21:51</span> <a href="/comment/614#comment-614" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/614#comment-614" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Chinese dogs get eaten! Bad</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Chinese dogs get eaten! Bad Karma alert!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=614&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="QSpb5om-raxbNbLA8An7hpI1wRs_09CXW8a6GY_XQpA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-616" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263171071"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">lovelee (not verified)</span> on 11 Jan 2010 - 01:51</span> <a href="/comment/616#comment-616" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/616#comment-616" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">snakes on an (astral)</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">snakes on an (astral) plane thank you so very much for this wonderful (wonderland?) book having misplaced Carroll's Crocodile in Sylvie &amp; Bruno, i send you his surreal verse as a token of my esteem: 1614: "He thought he saw a Crocodile 1615: That questioned him in Greek: 1616: He looked again, and found it was 1617: The Middle of Next Week. 1618: 'The one thing I regret,' he said, 1619: 'Is that it cannot speak!"</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=616&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="vmhv4zNdE3QnrAqSDAlG_ayH5B4E5cLNv1e1IDvAX5M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-618" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263196810"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 11 Jan 2010 - 09:00</span> <a href="/comment/618#comment-618" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/618#comment-618" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Dan Brown would be a lot</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Dan Brown would be a lot more enjoyable if we did see sentences like that. But I'll pass on the giant tarantulas.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=618&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="QxVcRcL0G7dsukmpEibcbbqfpvAdqA38xWoWLgdjATE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-619" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263217962"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Donal (not verified)</span> on 11 Jan 2010 - 14:52</span> <a href="/comment/619#comment-619" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/619#comment-619" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">To be disappointingly</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">To be disappointingly pedantic: It wass a rattlesanke that questioned him in greek, not a crocodile</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=619&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="alihxUdpvLrlqVwlKoSrG-CbQl5EhvuIrMYhtRAydu4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-620" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263249444"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 11 Jan 2010 - 23:37</span> <a href="/comment/620#comment-620" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/620#comment-620" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m not disappointed to note</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I'm not disappointed to note that the rule about pedantry still holds: point out one mistake and you'll make a new one.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=620&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="IQA41bh0UxSZNfrGOxWUoV0O7cbkWBva5AYMdVHLfZ4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/619#comment-619" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">To be disappointingly</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Donal (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-672" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266264508"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 15 Feb 2010 - 21:08</span> <a href="/comment/672#comment-672" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/672#comment-672" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">... or three even. Still,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">... or three even. Still, hugged by spirit monkeys, eh?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=672&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="pYFdhDdhL2eewsMkR_qyfEpjpUwC5bFSuw1ILSS2oX4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1233" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1297631560"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mary C. (not verified)</span> on 13 Feb 2011 - 22:12</span> <a href="/comment/1233#comment-1233" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1233#comment-1233" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Animals do have an afterlife.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Animals do have an afterlife. They have souls, too! I used to see cat spirits all the time, not so much anymore. Our cat Rascal came to visit my husband and I after he died. We felt him jump on the bed and walk between us while we were lying on the bed talking.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1233&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="CLWq7I1xEv6i0Zy37eLN_mBJv58VB3DBW-ZS5afz_MM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> </section> Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:19:37 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 956 at http://oddbooks.com http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/eternally-yours-faithfully#comments A Basic Guide to the Occult for Law Enforcement Agencies http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/basic-guide-occult-law-enforcement-agencies <span>A Basic Guide to the Occult for Law Enforcement Agencies</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>22 Jun 2008 - 20:18</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Mary Jane Herold</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-publisher d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Publisher<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">The Author</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">1986</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/hidden-meanings" hreflang="en">hidden meanings</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/cops" hreflang="en">cops</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/ooh-spooky" hreflang="en">Ooh, Spooky</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/herold1.gif"><img alt="A Basic Guide to the Occult for Law Enforcement Agencies" data-entity-type="file" data-entity-uuid="6772bf42-45f4-4647-956e-d5439f92e258" height="232" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/herold1.gif" width="150" class="align-right" /></a>Ms Herold's little handbook strives to alert police officers to the menace of the occult, though as it largely consists of statements of the obvious, it suggests that the guardians of the law must be even more stupid than is popularly thought.</p> <p>For example, we learn that the signs of involvement in occult practices include:</p> <blockquote> <ul> <li> <p>a systematic use of symbols</p> </li> <li> <p>obsession with fantasy role-playing, heavy black-metal rock groups and bizarre imagery</p> </li> <li> <p>alleged or actual [my emphasis] psychic abilities</p> </li> <li> <p>alleged communications with the dead</p> </li> </ul> </blockquote> <ul> </ul> <p>Who'd have guessed?</p> <p>An unwary detective without this book to hand might fail to see the significance of further evidence of the presence of occultism:</p> <blockquote> <ul> <li> <p>afflicted effigies like voodoo dolls stuck with pins or otherwise mutilated</p> </li> <li> <p>skulls with or without candles</p> </li> <li> <p>runes</p> </li> <li> <p>dried blood</p> </li> <li> <p>rooms converted into dungeons or torture chambers</p> </li> </ul> </blockquote> <ul> </ul> <p>But beware, these vile necromancers can look just like anyone else, so the wise cop will learn the subtle signs of their maleficence:</p> <blockquote> <ul> <li> <p>tattoos - sexually perverse scenes, symbols [?], elaborate imagery [???], dripping blood</p> </li> <li> <p>shaved head</p> </li> <li> <p>black make-up</p> </li> </ul> </blockquote> <p>The bulk of the book is taken up by what Ms Herold calls "the ABC's [sic] of occultic language" - reproductions of symbols that she says are used to "conjure spirits, cast spells, and aid meditation". As well as the expected pentacles  goat's head, ankh and so on, she includes in her catalogue such innocuous items as an equilateral triangle ("pyramid", she says) and a simple circle. Be careful how how you decorate your child's nursery, lest you unleash dark forces.</p> <p>More treats are to be found in Herold's occult glossary , in which we learn for example that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon">Necronomicon</a> is a "potent" and "highly dangerous" book. but she reaches a mighty height with her conclusion, which I quote in full:</p> <blockquote> <p>As law enforcement officers and agents, you frequently face danger from all kinds of people—drug addicts, pushers, prostitutes, pimps, the emotionally unstable, the mentally deranged—in short, the killers, rapists, and abusers of our society. Now, it is time for you to add occultists, witches, and satanists to your list of armed and dangerous characters. For example, you might encounter a coven that is protected by an armed sentinel. (Those members with psychic abilities are preferred they can "see" you coming and "know" your intentions.) These devoted guardians will not hesitate to attack an invader, be he an innocent trespasser, adventurous curiosity-seeker, or a peace officer. Here are some more points to remember:</p> <ol> <li>If a suicidal practitioner thinks you are a threat to his desire to die and reincarnate or resurrect, for example, he/she might very well kill or hurt you in his defense.</li> <li>Covens (and individual, solitary practitioners) are equipped with knives as ritual and ceremonial tools. Therefore, consider each qroup or individual as armed and potentially dangerous.</li> <li>You might encounter an occultist who seems to possess "superhuman" strength. Be on guard.</li> <li>Drug induced occultism, witchcraft, and satanism pose a double threat: the unpredictable effects of the drugs mixed with the deviations of the practices.</li> </ol> <p>In conclusion, it is my hope that the information contained in this guide will prevent not only personal harm to you, but also will serve to preserve and protect the general public. If just one, innocent child is saved from being used as a human sacrifice—if just one, careless adult is spared the agony of physical and psychological destruction—if just one police officer or law enforcement agent returns to his or her family following a confrontation that otherwise would have resulted in injury or death—then my purpose will have been accomplished.</p> </blockquote> <p>The fact that the news is rarely troubled by stories of ill-prepared police officers being attacked by superhuman suicidal psychics suggests that Herold's words have done their job. Hooray!</p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=939&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="zzNIsm5tyoNa1bV0RDfcwtXihMS-LZc8Ihro_NZQTtg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-49" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1214170374"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 22 Jun 2008 - 23:32</span> <a href="/comment/49#comment-49" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/49#comment-49" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">My guess is that most occult</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">My guess is that most occult practicioners are harmless. If they sell their services they are probably con men - but how would you prove that? If they are themselves believers, then legally they do not differ from the more conventional churches and are protected by the 1st Amendment. The worst problem would be if the policeman were a believer, and killed someone he thought was "putting a spell" on him - I'm sure this has happened in some African countries. Here we have the bad example of the Salem witch trials and executions. But I can remember when Georgia and Virginia had laws against palmists - for all I know they still have such laws, but they have probably avoided making a test case lately.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=49&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="unTW0GcGqIAHFgSQKTkEE3Kbz4RINpwzPMht7smzjIo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-410" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1243247364"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 25 May 2009 - 12:29</span> <a href="/comment/410#comment-410" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/410#comment-410" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">indeed this book results in</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">indeed this book results in discrimnation towards people who do deal with occult matters (eg wicca, pagan etc). Not every thing in the occult word is 'evil' in fact a lot of the bs about evil is spread by the catholic church to promote discrimination...</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=410&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="QWBJjWiJNZUabrKza0BugQw-UNVrt4XNEc0ol4rCz1I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/49#comment-49" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">My guess is that most occult</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-54" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1215230084"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2008 - 05:54</span> <a href="/comment/54#comment-54" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/54#comment-54" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Ironically, by most general</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Ironically, by most general definitions of the "occult," Christianity qualifies as occult in many ways.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=54&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Vn-x_XbAiAuoKPxQzhlQBcYRyReay_Kxg4OLFscVJ0s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-66" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1218691205"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 14 Aug 2008 - 07:20</span> <a href="/comment/66#comment-66" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/66#comment-66" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I think ALL religions</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I think ALL religions qualify lol Jay Mondroe Jr. // CEO <a href="http://www.petitionspot.com/">Petition</a> Inc.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=66&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="X1Osw1R_63-kWpgH2sEDBsyvrpko3ztfU-Iqjca4VIs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/54#comment-54" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Ironically, by most general</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-120" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1230359418"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 27 Dec 2008 - 07:30</span> <a href="/comment/120#comment-120" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/120#comment-120" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Jay...One of your most</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Jay...One of your most popular petitions at Petition, Inc. is saving Stargate Atlantis. All the Stargate shows are based on occult new age theosophical gnostic religious teachings...e.g. ascension, magic, extraterrestrials, ethereal spirits, ascended masters, Atlantis, symbols, etc. In fact, nearly all science fiction &amp; fantasy stories are creations of new religions by the author acting as a little god, all fitting within the ecclectic occult new age religion that is becoming the world religion of the UN/EU/US &amp; eventually the 666 anti-Christ (which I'm sure you don't believie in...yet). And if one become popular, like Star Wars, it actually creates another flourishing worldwide religion, all pulling people away from Biblical truth.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=120&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="hLxzra--tqH-X7oRdzKZszrKlAmZjPwXR9Sa62Aap6U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/66#comment-66" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I think ALL religions</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="25" id="comment-473" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248121703"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/francois-tremblay" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Francois Tremblay</span> on 20 Jul 2009 - 22:28</span> <a href="/comment/473#comment-473" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/473#comment-473" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Guys, we&#039;ve got a live one!</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Guys, we've got a live one! A live crackpot! HOORAH!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=473&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="mAVXP10cFL3GbSgwClZUeWWXLzoLsniGPpf-m6GbFfY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/120#comment-120" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Jay...One of your most</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2228" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1396919119"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Troy Beals (not verified)</span> on 08 Apr 2014 - 03:05</span> <a href="/comment/2228#comment-2228" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/2228#comment-2228" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hooray for crackpots!!!</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hooray for crackpots!!!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2228&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="KEfey1DB2IieTJmZvuxqwit6WfgkdoWYlnPCTR31kR0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/473#comment-473" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Guys, we&#039;ve got a live one!</a> by <span lang="" about="/users/francois-tremblay" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Francois Tremblay</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div></div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-103" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227812620"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 27 Nov 2008 - 20:03</span> <a href="/comment/103#comment-103" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/103#comment-103" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m an occultist (not a very</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I'm an occultist (not a very good one, I'll admit) and I found this hilarious.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=103&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Xll9YbEduaR8UBaxDeCxJAeZcsOME9C1efHaFrX1R98"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-113" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1229011613"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 11 Dec 2008 - 17:06</span> <a href="/comment/113#comment-113" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/113#comment-113" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Jeez, that review absolutely</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Jeez, that review absolutely stinks!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=113&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="64RWkScXD1XuqmjUf3gCcU9OqzgfRMV8TyiUc2I1A_0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-136" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232248882"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2009 - 04:21</span> <a href="/comment/136#comment-136" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/136#comment-136" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">So THIS is why i have been</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">So THIS is why i have been shot twice for having a bald head and dirty tattoos. It ALL begins to make sense suddenly. At least nobody has ever accused me of shrinking their genitalia. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/20165/modern_day_witch_hunt_in_south_africa.html</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=136&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="IwfKIMw8ZAP9Nz76KbugvszezSCwN-wQqqtrEUKqwEg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-389" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1240963220"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 29 Apr 2009 - 02:00</span> <a href="/comment/389#comment-389" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/389#comment-389" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">anyone know where i can find</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">anyone know where i can find this? I found a copy a long time ago and passed it up like a fool. if you have it and are willing to sell, email me..sussudio1605@yahoo.com</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=389&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="cVjPJ4ET-vxd8L4kt9a7M4-9ZkIN11kTcO3vePjaVRw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-569" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257956760"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://cmlcmortgage.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Frank (not verified)</a> on 11 Nov 2009 - 17:26</span> <a href="/comment/569#comment-569" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/569#comment-569" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This has got to be a joke...</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>This has got to be a joke... Surely? It's certainly the most bizarre thing I've seen in a long while. I guess I better go and clean out my dungeon before the cops come knocking at my door ;) </p><p> </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=569&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ChJhYmQcwkRi466CyauRIlnFi5AnsuUJQjBrNfspmyc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-571" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1258895212"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tengri_gim (not verified)</span> on 22 Nov 2009 - 14:06</span> <a href="/comment/571#comment-571" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/571#comment-571" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I knew a guy that wanted to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I knew a guy that wanted to become a cop for tampa police department so he could "hunt zombies". I doubt he passed the psych. He ran a bbs. He tryed to explain to me how his grandfather worked for the us government and worked with reviving bodies. And the gas attack in japan was zombie gas thanks to the cia. The shots of people comforting victims were actually agents trained to "strengthening" the zombies. Zombie isometrics? Yeah. Forget taebo. Oh yeah I got a formula for making zombies. But its the same one in the movie serpent and the rainbow. Bummer. Yes, cops are this stupid. In the late 90s they had just issued a advisory that soda cans could be used to smoke marijuana. Its hard to believe people can be this stupid. But they are. They arent just putting on an act. Rock and roll is R&amp;B, the b in R&amp;B is blues. "Satanic" rock music uses petatonic scales from BLUES. Blacks basically invented the electric guitar. The thing about sentinels is true though. The cult of the all seeing eye is based out of tampa. Used to put a pamphlet out: Jesus was a radioactive space alien</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=571&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="XIsgi28i1M3EpdAeIlN4P0wfMO09KuSA_gS1BkQFJDQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-948" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1283850851"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hemanth (not verified)</span> on 07 Sep 2010 - 11:14</span> <a href="/comment/948#comment-948" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/948#comment-948" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">So THIS is why i have been</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">So THIS is why i have been shot twice for having a bald head and dirty tattoos. It ALL begins to make sense suddenly. At least nobody has ever accused me of shrinking their genitalia.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=948&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="UR7YNgls4RSAL-1_LP9pbcQGEaG06XT93fScVzON5Fs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1564" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1319984104"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous john (not verified)</span> on 30 Oct 2011 - 15:15</span> <a href="/comment/1564#comment-1564" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1564#comment-1564" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">here i am</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">here i am</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1564&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="KF2fnmL5pM9ci1com_rMxIQxjkjHIwrI4rxTzU_NvDU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1684" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1332948848"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous Wally (not verified)</span> on 28 Mar 2012 - 17:34</span> <a href="/comment/1684#comment-1684" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1684#comment-1684" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Does anyone ever notice the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Does anyone ever notice the common negativity against Christ? Thats what did it for me, especially after losing my home, daughter and mind, finances, and attacks on health etc.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1684&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="eSJAhXqxpbCIDrguYjXdEI83BgNbTk8d2FtikBYGpUM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> </section> Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:18:18 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 939 at http://oddbooks.com The Mysteries of Sound and Number http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/mysteries-sound-and-number <span>The Mysteries of Sound and Number</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>25 May 2008 - 19:03</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Sheikh Habeeb Ahmad</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-publisher d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Publisher<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Nichols, London</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">1903</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/numerology" hreflang="en">numerology</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/betting-systems" hreflang="en">betting systems</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/hidden-meanings" hreflang="en">hidden meanings</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/maths" hreflang="en">maths</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/getting-rich" hreflang="en">getting rich</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/ooh-spooky" hreflang="en">Ooh, Spooky</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/ahmad1.jpg"><img alt="The Mysteries of Sound and Number" data-entity-type="file" data-entity-uuid="698a4bb0-146a-43a5-b2b0-5818c1a03a30" height="302" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/ahmad1.jpg" width="200" class="align-right" /></a></p> <blockquote>It is difficult to forecast the scope of the present treatise without seeming to make arrogant claims in reference to the results it will accomplish, but the reader will find that it actually does disclose a system susceptible of being worked by any person of ordinary intelligence, by the application of which to various problems in life, events may be predicted, even though they may seem to belong to the order of those which are regarded as the sport of Chance in a pre-eminent degree, or of rival activities in conflict with each other where no human sagacity can determine which will prevail.</blockquote> <p>That typically verbose paragraph from the introduction to this book, might be translated as "believe it or not, I'm going to tell you how to pick horse race winners".  This exercise is to be undertaken purely for noble motives, it should be said:</p> <blockquote> <p>If any one imagines that the main purpose of this book has been to promulgate a method of winning on the turf, let the transparent stupidity of such an idea be its own condemnation.</p> </blockquote> <p>No, indeed:</p> <blockquote> <p>... the purpose of this book is not to teach speculative enthusiasts how to back horses, with a reasonable likelihood of winning, but to establish the reality of hitherto unknown laws exerting a profound influence on human affairs.</p> </blockquote> <p>Betting shops are full of advanced students of the occult, busy with research into "hitherto unknown laws" - which may well include that which says there's one born every minute.</p> <p>So, what are these "mysteries"? Well, the name of each horse in a race can be turned into a number, based on the sounds involved in its pronunciation. A name has mystical value, since:</p> <blockquote> <p>It becomes the name of the person, animal or place by reason of unseen influences, operating, quite unconsciously to themselves, on the inclination — which they imagine to be quite free — of the authorities who confer the name.</p> </blockquote> <p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/ahmad2.jpg"><img alt="Sheikh Habeeb Ahmad" data-entity-type="file" data-entity-uuid="daec0cbe-4bde-4fd7-910c-d545511a9c9f" height="321" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/ahmad2.jpg" width="200" class="align-right" /></a>If "unseen influences" are involved in the naming of latter day steeds such as "Burnin Ana Lootin" and "Dynomightrunaway", they seemingly don't exercise any form of quality control. Take care of the sounds and the sense will take care of itself, one might say in a reversal of the dictum of Alice's Duchess.</p> <p>Once armed with the numbers of the horses in a race, you can determine the winner based on its finish time. This is done by following a tedious procedure based on the division of daylight hours into four-minute intervals governed by different planets and hence associated with different numbers.</p> <p>I did start the attempt to apply this to an actual race, but the task of working out the numbers for the names and the governing planet is so long-winded and open to error that I confess I gave up, thus proving that I am not "a person of ordinary intelligence".</p> <p>However, analysis based on simple statistics will show that if any such rule were to apply to horse racing the effect would be to make the distribution of winners a great deal more even than is actually the case. For example., because of the way Ahmad allocates numbers to planets, horses with names that correspond to numbers 1, 2, 4 or 7 would be winners twice as often as any others. Even without knowing the nature of the mysterious law, bookmakers would surely have noticed this effect and set their odds accordingly.</p> <p>Ahmad produces some retrospective examination of some races that took place in 1902 to demonstrate the worth of his method. For the inevitable cases where it doesn't work he fudges the result by means such as assuming the finish time was recorded inaccurately. Usefully, compound names such as "Lord Ponting" can be allocated two different numbers to aid in the process of making the facts fit the theory.</p> <p>Whether "Sheikh Habeeb Ahmad" was the author's real name is another matter open to question. He does not look very Sheikh-like in his picture, does he? Perhaps he chose it for mystical reasons: with such a name he might easily win the 3.15 at Chepstow.</p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=938&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="yILOd8zA0qVrSDZdrwWH9IE2vHKJQYZMxQqmCQRt2q0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-48" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1213634163"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 16 Jun 2008 - 18:36</span> <a href="/comment/48#comment-48" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/48#comment-48" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Actually, he DOES look</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Actually, he DOES look remarkably similar to some of the members of the Hashemite tribe (which include members of the Jordanian royal family, for example). Of course, he also looks very French... An Arab in France, perhaps? Not unheard of. ;) And BTW, I suspect this guy KNEW a lot more than his book intimates... :)</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=48&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="_xNo4W5jsHxybDl7L3GOcCY20JW6y-5HXuUowzfAr7E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1732" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1339846037"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">a k sharma (not verified)</span> on 16 Jun 2012 - 13:27</span> <a href="/comment/1732#comment-1732" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1732#comment-1732" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">i liked this book very much.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">i liked this book very much.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1732&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="KlghCpYrdtofm3YLwBGbG8Indsv-3JK3eSONAj-DMYM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> </section> Sun, 25 May 2008 17:03:01 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 938 at http://oddbooks.com An Astral Bridegroom http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/astral-bridegroom <span>An Astral Bridegroom</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>24 Mar 2008 - 18:27</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Robert James Lees</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-subtitle">A Study in Reincarnation</div> <div class="oddbook__field-publisher d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Publisher<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Eva Lees</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">1958</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/marriage" hreflang="en">marriage</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/reincarnation" hreflang="en">reincarnation</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/hypnosis" hreflang="en">hypnosis</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/ooh-spooky" hreflang="en">Ooh, Spooky</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/astral1.jpg"><img alt="An Astral Bridegroom" data-entity-type="file" data-entity-uuid="ab340d20-1312-4239-a7c0-f927339d1b5e" height="345" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/astral1.jpg" width="214" class="align-right" /></a>If you are looking for a thrilling mystery with a supernatural twist: this is not it. On the other hand, should you like your fiction to be dull, turgid, and weighed down with metaphysical drivel, <cite>An Astral Bridegroom</cite> may be the very thing.</p> <p>The story takes place in Weaverton, one of those quiet English villages familiar from the works of Agatha Christie. This is no tale of serial murder, though. Instead there's a somewhat less violent turn of events at the core of the plot:</p> <blockquote> <p>Then her father spoke again.</p> <p>"Gertrude, is there any other reason than that indicated by the doctor why you refuse to proceed with this marriage?"</p> <p>[...]</p> <p>"You cannot understand, because I am unable to explain," she pleaded.</p> <p>"Tell me what you know!" he demanded.</p> <p>"Then may God forgive you the wrong you cause me to do to myself; but the reason why I refuse this marriage is because I am married already."</p> </blockquote> <p>This scene occurs just after Gertrude has fallen in a dead faint at the altar during the ceremony during which she was supposed to have been married to a chap with the curious - but unarguably masculine - name of Verow Lingham. A previous marriage is of course a perfectly good reason for breaking things off, though one might criticise her tardiness in raising the matter, but the situation is a little more bizarre than first appears.</p> <p>A few days later, Gertrude reveals the nature of her union to her cousin Lillie: her husband is Visvamitra, a figure in Hindu scripture. She herself was "Aditi, [his] faithless bride" and for some reason "the Devas have declared that I shall never be the partner of another".</p> <p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/astral2.jpg"><img alt="Robert James Lees" data-entity-type="file" data-entity-uuid="c513d10a-78e2-4dc8-a61e-09d4f7a6af2f" height="342" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/astral2.jpg" width="239" class="align-right" /></a>(Please note that this does not relate in any meangful way to actual Hindu mythology - not that it matters much, as will be seen.)</p> <p>The Miss Marple of Weaverton is one Solomon Sharp, a folksy old gardener with a dislike of oriental mysticism. Being a meddling cove, he sets himself the task of finding the truth at the bottom of Gertrude's belief.</p> <p>None of Ms Christie's sleuths ever espoused the detectional method advocated by Sharp, which he calls "making inquiries in the land of sleep". According to him, while the body is asleep the soul may wander anywhere at will - including through walls. Of course, only a few enlightened people have the facility to control their dream adventures and remember them accurately.</p> <p>(You will understand that Sharp is not opposed to mysticism as such, only those particular "superstitions" he happens to disagree with.)</p> <p>Sharp uses his facility not only to solve the mystery of the astral bridegroom but also to catch a gang of fiendish crooks.  The thickness of the plot may be judged by the way Sharp reveals one villain's identity:</p> <blockquote>"Metsie [...] is in London lending barrows and hiring donkeys to costermongers under the name of Crummer, in a general way; but he had also plays another part, in which he has found fame as an artist under the name Claude Webberlake."</blockquote> <p>(As ever, when it is not the butler that did it, one must look to the costermonger's supplier stroke artist.)</p> <p>Gertrude was hypnotised by one of the  gang masquerading as an  Indian fakir, apparently, though it is hard to be sure as the denouement in which this fact emerges is rather hurriedly and indirectly described, in contrast to earlier chapters in which a local doctor - who has the audacity to doubt Sharp's dreamland tales - and a priest - who dared  sneak away from his parish  to visit a London music-hall - are both harshly dealt with by the redoubtable Sharp, whom it would seem acts as the author's ventriloquial dummy .</p> <p>Full marks to Lees for being more interested in expounding his peculiar philosophy than pretending to write a decent work of fiction. That's the sort of attitude that gets you a listing here, 50 years after your book was published.</p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=928&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="Noh56DFmfiTo8wwn1VozKYtI5_T-WFeeHq7KMda78i0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1371" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307022113"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 02 Jun 2011 - 15:41</span> <a href="/comment/1371#comment-1371" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1371#comment-1371" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Verow Lingham? Sounds like a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Verow Lingham? Sounds like a <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vero#Latin">real</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam">cock</a>.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1371&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="PiK1MuVzeR9JxDmxwwB7y2YVa7lRHdj52DgARhQyoH0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1372" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307022290"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 02 Jun 2011 - 15:44</span> <a href="/comment/1372#comment-1372" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1372#comment-1372" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes, well spotted.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Yes, well spotted. </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1372&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="hRT-81wT_OaM2VOlYcYGYzPtvgWwRR9rfiVQ1s28Mbg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1371#comment-1371" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Verow Lingham? Sounds like a</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> </section> Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:27:41 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 928 at http://oddbooks.com http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/astral-bridegroom#comments The Twentieth Plane http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/twentiethplane.html <span>The Twentieth Plane</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>19 Dec 2005 - 21:48</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Albert Durrant Watson</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-publisher d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Publisher<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">George W Jacobs &amp; Co.</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">1919</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/mediumship" hreflang="en">mediumship</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/spiritualism" hreflang="en">Spiritualism</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/famous-names" hreflang="en">famous names</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/shakespeare" hreflang="en">Shakespeare</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/ooh-spooky" hreflang="en">Ooh, Spooky</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/twentiethplane.jpg"><img alt="The Twentieth Plane: A Psychic Revelation. Reported by Albert Durrant Watson" height="297" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/twentiethplane.jpg" data-entity-uuid="19306cb3-1ebe-40bf-86a2-ca81e9cea9b1" data-entity-type="file" class="align-right align-right" width="190" /></a></p> <p>In the early part of the last century, when this book was written, <a href="http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Spiritsm.html">Spiritualism</a> was much more popular and generally taken more seriously than it is today. It is tempting to suggest that works such as this, by stretching the reader's credulity to the limit, may in part be responsible for its decline.</p> <p><a href="http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/garvin/poets/watson.html">Watson</a>, a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, and a poet who wrote the words to <a href="http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/l/o/r/lordland.htm">Canada's national hymn</a>, claims his book is an accurate record of visitations from beyond the grave through the mediumship of one Louis Benjamin, whom Watson grandiosely calls “The Instrument”.</p> <p>Benjamin, described as “a commercial man, thirty-six years of age”, was evidently a distinctly superior Instrument, one very well-connected in afterlife society, as Watson describes how a succession of great names lined up to speak through him - amongst them Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Tennyson, Shelley, Wordsworth, Shakespeare, Plato, and, slightly incongruously, Watson's late mother. The glorious dead were, we are asked to believe, queueing up to manifest themselves at No. 10 Euclid Avenue, Toronto, in order to deliver mimsy homilies about the loveliness of the next world, such as this one from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Agassiz">Louis Agassiz</a>:</p> <blockquote> If your scene was lit by an eternal sky of pink amid which was a clustering of gold and green, if your air was the distilled essence of astral flower perfume, and if your eyes saw more than is in all the physical universe, then you would be only on the fringe of the love-lap of nature in which we bask...</blockquote> <p>On the Other Side there seems to be a general tendency to speak in a manner reminiscent of Fotherington-Thomas crossed with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Blavatsky">Madame Blavatsky</a> (“Hello astral trees! Hello eternal sky!”). This extends to William Shakespeare, whose literary genius has dimmed a little:</p> <blockquote> Behold a temple set in a valley, whose opaline sides, as if with jewels were dissolved, then kissed by Sappho and polished to reflect the gorgeous splendor of exalted nature. Hear the bell in yonder church tower. The walk to this edifice is like pearls. The trees are all swaying in rhythmical harmony of pulsations of ether. The people are all moving with steps of princes newly ordained to a higher throne; and all is lit with the close resemblance of the pale pink of sea-shells.</blockquote> <p>This same Shakespeare, asked to nominate something of merit in Canadian drama, picks <cite>Tecumseh</cite> by Charles Mair, an inexplicably forgotten work whose quality you may judge from <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/246/1199.html">a short extract to be found online</a>.</p> <p>In order to move “with steps of princes” - as Shakespeare puts it in the passage quoted above - the dead require sustenance - or at least the ingestion of “chemicals”. (What happens if they go without? Do they die again?) Their ghastly diet is described by Watson's mother in tandem with Coleridge:</p> <blockquote> <p>Is there any farming on the astral planes?</p> <p>“No; the chemicals come without our effort. We have other important things to do.”</p> <p>Do you know what the chemicals are?</p> <p>“Coleridge will tell you” (Coleridge speaks.)</p> <p>Coleridge:- “Proteins. The liquid juice of a rice product. A beef extract made of a synthetic meat product. A saccharine - sugar like your own. We have phosphates. Fats too are made here synthetically. All the equivalents of your richest foods. These constitute our dietary.</p> <p>“The distinction between our food and yours is one of vibration.”</p> </blockquote> <p>Vibrating synthetic fats? Yum. But there is also the food of love, music, as William Morris tells us:</p> <blockquote> [Robert Louis] Stevenson, when he left the Islands of Hawaii to come to this plane, brought with him the ukelele. He brought also with him the native song of the isle but improved it, and often we hear him when alone. His tonal pictures pierce us to the quick.</blockquote> <p>Actually, strange as it may seem, Stevenson <em>was</em> an aficionado of the uke, at least if <a href="http://www.ukuleleguild.org/history.php">this page</a> is to be believed. In the absence of any recording of the author of <cite>Treasure Island</cite>'s piercing “tonal pictures”, perhaps <a href="http://www.nalu-music.com/nalu/rose.mp3">this one from 1917 of E K Rose singing “Aloha Oe”</a> will give an idea of what astral music may be like.</p> <p>Another significant figure in the Arts and Crafts movement, though one less well-known these days than Morris, was <a href="http://www.bigeye.com/elberth.htm">Elbert Hubbard</a>, founder of the <a href="http://www.roycrofter.com/">Roycrofters</a>. Hubbard went down with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania">Lusitania</a> in 1915 but seemingly reappeared in Toronto in order to furnish Watson's circle with its “war expert”. In life he was a self-educated man with a folksy way of expressing himself, but his spirit seems to be laying on the idiosyncrasy with a steam-shovel:</p> <blockquote> Say, my pal of pals, in the silence of this vale of voice, tell me to tell you that non compos mentis is the word to apply to one who with a shrug of the shoulder, a wink of the eye, a snap of the jaw, settles the finalities of all worlds, the problems that are debatable on all planes.</blockquote> <p>While he was still on this plane, Hubbard once said “Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped”, which seems a fitting comment on the case in hand.</p> <p>Another writer whose shade graces the proceedings is Edgar Allan Poe. Like Shakespeare he has turned into a poor-quality caricature of himself (perhaps dying is not good for one?). To be read after the manner of the great <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Karloff">Boris Karloff</a>, I think:</p> <blockquote> <p>“Now, my friends, I greet you. I am Edgar. Do you love the monster who created weird things of gloomy fancy?”</p> <p>[... One of the party asks:] Did the raven become a permanent thing?</p> <p>The raven is forevermore, and oh, the lost Lenore, she is here too. The raven is the imprisoned soul of myself. I am here. See the significance? I relapse often into the valley, see now?</p> </blockquote> <p>Relapse may be the right word. There always has to be one who overdoes it at a party, doesn't there? If Poe is the embarrassing drunk, then there is One who is The Very Special Guest. (Naturally, He appears fashionably late, at the end of the book.) Perhaps The Instrument felt some pressure to up his game, as after channelling Spinoza, Plato and Socrates, up pops ... Jesus:</p> <blockquote> <p>“Brothers, lovers, all:- If I were permitted to add a line to the Sermon on the Mount, I should add this: <em>Be calm</em>. That is the lesson of the planes to all the ages.</p> <p>“The birds are serene. The ocean subsides to solemn stillness as it adores its Maker. The winds cry not. Night comes on all planes and soothes the soul to rest. The stars are noiseless. The greatest force of all space is often not heard even by ears attuned to hear the language of flowers.</p> <p>But the souls of earth plane mortals rattle to destruction. Your souls alone clatter over the rocks of unfinished character. Alone do those of earth plane spill blood while monster machines tear the air with their roar to an endless chaos.</p> <p>“Be calm in prayer, in thought, in purpose, in character, and your calmness will be the ship of life that shall reach all ports of experience, and then throw out the anchor; safe home at last.”</p> </blockquote> <p>In being prepared to improve on the New Testament to a circle of believers one must admire the sheer chutzpah of Mr Benjamin while boggling at the seemingly bottomless gullibility of his audience, one of whom, a <a href="http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Abbott/intro.htm">Professor Abbott</a> apparently lost his career through taking Benjamin too seriously, and later had a nervous breakdown.</p> <p><cite>The Twentieth Plane</cite> is discussed in <cite><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?path=ASIN/0773527168&amp;link_code=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;tag=thefrankharrispa&amp;creative=9325">Anatomy of a Seance</a></cite> by Stan McMullin (McGill Queens University Press, 2004). McMullin says that Professor James Mavor, an eminent economic historian, was prompted by the public sensation around Watson's work to carry out an investigation of his own, including a test seance with Louis Benjamin at Mavor's home. As a result, Mavor concluded that the proceedings reported by Watson were valueless and that Benjamin was a phony who got his knowledge of the famous dead he impersonated from the <cite><a href="http://www.britannica.com/">Encyclopedia Britannica</a></cite>.</p> <p>My friend <a href="http://www.beimanimation.com/">Nancy Beiman</a>, whom I must thank for first telling me about <cite>The Twentieth Plane</cite>, has also read Watson's follow-up book <cite>Birth Through Death</cite>, which she says provides evidence that Watson - like his colleague Abbott - became a little unhinged. Perhaps this is not surprising: if I believed in this vision of the afterlife as a roseate Fairyland where everyone degenerates into a bleating ninny, I think I'd go mad as well.</p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=137&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="35JcimL_WaA0-qCSsXRrZEoE94EW-XV9AkicU1rKkko"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-130" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1231609677"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 10 Jan 2009 - 18:47</span> <a href="/comment/130#comment-130" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/130#comment-130" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Verrry interesting! As a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Verrry interesting! As a great grand-daughter of Watson, I have copies of his poetry books, but "The Twentieth Plane" was not a topic of family conversation, and therefore a puzzle. What struck me was how a very bright man of science (medical doctor, amateur astronomer, mathematician) and of literature fell under Benjamin's spell so completely. It must have been in the air of the time - after all, the world was being reinvented (or reinterpretted) by Science, and the old knowledge and wisdom ("old wives' tales!") was falling to pieces, a trend from which we have not yet entirely recovered. I doubt very much that Watson was mad, but I suppose he may have been a little unhinged. Perhaps he was backed into a corner by Benjamin and unable to admit he'd been made a fool. P. Wales</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=130&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="59NEKBAdd6zQNBOHBKZa8i3mJmCKVz2s6PlQKqHBuQE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-435" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1245529718"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marlene (not verified)</span> on 20 Jun 2009 - 22:28</span> <a href="/comment/435#comment-435" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/435#comment-435" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">As a matter of fact, A. D.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">As a matter of fact, A. D. Watson did make a public break from spiritualism and Louis Benjamin. He completely stepped off that path (even though his books sold thousands of copies in Canada and the USA.) Benjamin, on the other hand, went on to do regular public "trance readings", mostly in Toronto.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=435&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="RtKGHekoyAhoEtlCMZXwpj5RG_iXi7mJVgrN82EUh-Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/130#comment-130" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Verrry interesting! As a</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-405" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242767535"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 19 May 2009 - 23:12</span> <a href="/comment/405#comment-405" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/405#comment-405" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Greetings P. Wales. I find</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Greetings P. Wales. I find your great grandfather's works fascinating. Love to hear from you if possible. You can email me at .... wolfspirits@3web.com ... to discuss his writings more.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=405&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="s9beloFIpURnQCohf-veiq00k6Y19_4lNSubP5WLJi0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-406" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242785706"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 20 May 2009 - 04:15</span> <a href="/comment/406#comment-406" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/406#comment-406" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">There is a decendant of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">There is a decendant of Watson's here in Edmonton as well. I'd be happy to put you in touch with her if you'd like! Sincerly, Ehren Ackerman President/Founder of the Edmonton Paranormal Society</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=406&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="__f4khucSj33wXLx3zSl8XLyLt6bkYHr_qNcZiqn2-w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-432" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1245103932"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John A. Milne (not verified)</span> on 16 Jun 2009 - 00:12</span> <a href="/comment/432#comment-432" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/432#comment-432" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I first became aware of The</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I first became aware of The Twentieth Plane while reading an unpublished manuscript of my Great, Great Grandfather John Milne who at the age of 90 in 1928 had written about his 30 years experience with Spiritualism, a very insightful, well written and referenced book. It opened my eyes to this remarkable period from the 1840's onwards when Spiritualism was very much apart of general interest and scientific investigation. His references to Dr Watson's book took me to the U of T library were I found a copy and subsequently photo-copied it. It has become a great point of interest to me with a great deal of reading and research confirming many of the insights offered by my G. G. Grandfathers and Dr Watsons books. I found it interesting that Dr Watson became a member of the Baha'i Faith after publishing his first book and a description of this formative period of his seances has been published in the Book about the life of Laura Davis, one of the very early Baha'is in Canada who had attended his seances. I have had my G.G. Grandfathers manuscript transcribe on word and would be pleased to email it to any one interested. There is no doubt in my mind that much of what was revealed was indeed close to the reality of the life that awaits us all.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=432&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="_aoJ2BWKuAegn-1Z29cetH3lkRYUNxRX4HAOU99TD38"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-438" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1245695748"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.transcommunication.org/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Maryse Locke (not verified)</a> on 22 Jun 2009 - 20:35</span> <a href="/comment/438#comment-438" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/438#comment-438" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">John, Yes, I would be very</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">John, Yes, I would be very pleased to read the manuscript of your gr.gr. grandfather John Milne. Thank you for your generous proposal to share it. I have a great respect for all these people of the Victorian period who worked hard for leaving testimonies of their time. They were courageous people who have stood strong for their discoveries and for their perception of the Truth. Science of the Nature is an endless domain of discovery... About scepticism, I would like to quote Baron Von Reichenbach (in 1850) whose researches during many years in a new field of science, has also received hostile reception : « It was to be expected that a subject of so unusual and peculiar a kind as the present researches would meet with objections ; and I was aware beforehand that I should have to defend my experiments, and the deductions I had drawn from them, against ill-founded and groundless opposition. The new field of research which was laid open pushes its lines too near the bastions of established formulae, frequently involves, in too many convolutions, all that exists in the present doctrines of natural dynamics, for the necessary space to be freely allowed to it. Yet I thought only of reasonable criticism of my observations, perhaps of unsuccessful repetitions of my experiments, arising here and there from faulty arrangement ; that my conclusion is might be contested, or other views built upon the facts brought forward : but I was not prepared for an attack, which every true friend of science will unite with me in calling unprovoked, such as was made upon my work, and upon myself personally, by a Dr. Dubois-Reymond, in Kärsten's "Fortschritte der Physik im Jahre 1845." This naturalist does not find it at all necessary to go into my experiments, and the conclusions deduced from them, but briefly and superficially designates my book as an "absurd romance", the details of which " it would be fruitless and to him impossible to enter." I believe both of these assertions. Fruitless ; because he has not understood them, and an uncomprehended and incomprehensible criticism is fruitless. Impossible ; because he has not read them in connection ; and to enter into a matter of which one has acquired no knowledge, is impossible. ... « It is fashionable to sneer at isolated facts, and to withhold belief from any which appear extraordinary, and that can be accounted for only by the hypothesis of the existence of unknown or unexamined imponderable agencies… We are apt to be startled by relations of things that are new to us, and the repulsive agency of certain organs in the brain is, in some persons, called into operation. In standing on the defensive, it is sometimes a property of our structures that we should become offensive ; and in refusing belief to things thought to be unusual, our self-esteem, and love of opposition, and cunning, and jealousy, and envy, derived from love of possession, the true gluttony of selfishness, — our cultivated obstinate vanity, assuring us that in piggish scepticism resides the philosophy which really buds only from the highest and most delicate organization, not allowing us to perceive how frequently we become illogical, teaches us to reject truths presented to us by our fellows in the best faith of their sincere feelings. I could mention the names of men, having high reputations in the world, who either have forgotten that love of justice which belongs to conscientiousness, and that love of truth that belongs to high moral natures, or who have laboured under such obliquity of intellect as to have been unaware that, in some cases, the arriving hastily at disgusting conclusions is the characteristic of the narrow intellect of low-bred blackguards, and not of polite gentlemen. But the charity that springs from a conviction of man being the creature of his organization, and the circumstances which impel him to his actions, covers such beings with the pity that falls to their share. Why should the relation of an extraordinary fact like that stated by Mr. Henderson not be believed ? It could not have resulted from fancy, … » .</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=438&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="B9AKivFbtW75lSZBNw2VJ8pIG4Vj9Hr4mWP6PdeEdFk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/432#comment-432" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I first became aware of The</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John A. Milne (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-439" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1245697637"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.transcommunication.org/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Maryse Locke (not verified)</a> on 22 Jun 2009 - 21:07</span> <a href="/comment/439#comment-439" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/439#comment-439" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">John, Thank you for your</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">John, Thank you for your generous proposal. Yes, I would like to receive the manuscript of your gr.gr.grandfather John Milne. I have a great respect for all these people of the victorian period who worked hard to leave the testimonies of their time. They were courageous and have stood strong for their discoveries and for sharing their perception of the Truth. Science of the Nature and its discoveries are endless… Nobody will never achieve the totallity of the knowledge of the Nature. About scepticism, I would like to quote Baron Von Reichenbach (in 1850) whose researches during many years in a new field of science, has also received hostile reception : « It was to be expected that a subject of so unusual and peculiar a kind as the present researches would meet with objections ; and I was aware beforehand that I should have to defend my experiments, and the deductions I had drawn from them, against ill-founded and groundless opposition. The new field of research which was laid open pushes its lines too near the bastions of established formulae, frequently involves, in too many convolutions, all that exists in the present doctrines of natural dynamics, for the necessary space to be freely allowed to it. Yet I thought only of reasonable criticism of my observations, perhaps of unsuccessful repetitions of my experiments, arising here and there from faulty arrangement ; that my conclusion is might be contested, or other views built upon the facts brought forward : but I was not prepared for an attack, which every true friend of science will unite with me in calling unprovoked, such as was made upon my work, and upon myself personally, by a Dr. Dubois-Reymond, in Kärsten's "Fortschritte der Physik im Jahre 1845." This naturalist does not find it at all necessary to go into my experiments, and the conclusions deduced from them, but briefly and superficially designates my book as an "absurd romance", the details of which " it would be fruitless and to him impossible to enter." I believe both of these assertions. Fruitless ; because he has not understood them, and an uncomprehended and incomprehensible criticism is fruitless. Impossible ; because he has not read them in connection ; and to enter into a matter of which one has acquired no knowledge, is impossible. … My works will be as little free from defects as those of much more exalted men than I ever could be, least of all in the natural sciences. No one can have felt this more strongly than myself. Every criticism expressed in a good spirit I shall receive with thanks, and try to improve my work accordingly. But imperious abuse, from one who is profoundly ignorant of the work he reviews, must be repelled, and the reviewer must be taught to know the limits of decency. It is the interest, not only of myself, but of all who work and write, that weeds of this kind should not be left to flourish, but be raked out and cleared away. … Natural science, and all its branches, have originally run through a period of obscurity and error : physics were preceded by magic; chemistry, by alchemy ; medicine, by the philosopher's stone ; astronomy, by astrology, etc. ; philosophy, theology, and jurisprudence, have passed through their phases of extravagance. Our first conceptions are always unclear, confused ; hence adapted to the wonderful, the mysterious, and so on to superstition and misuse. But it does not follow from this, that the enigmatic shell conceals no solid kernel. It is quite in character with the matter, and anything but unexpected, that the subject of sensitiveness, and the peculiar force on which it depends, should have to go through such a period of infancy in our notions ; and the more so in proportion as it shows itself, on the one hand, the less capable of limitation, and on the other, to have a deeper hold on the hidden sphere of the nerves. That these days of rudeness should have endured for seventy years, is really rather long in these enlightened times, but in great part owing to the almost criminal narrow-minded opposition of the gentlemen of the "exact sciences", who have turned to it, not only deaf ears, but even a kind of foolish hostility. … The reason why this has been so long delayed, why the groping round about has come to no end, lies moreover in the fact that people so often begin to build the pyramid at the point ; they would wish to do first what they should do last — undertake to cure diseases ! Before striving for the slightest knowledge of the inner nature of the hidden force, they made a trade of the matter ! Then somnambulists and clairvoyants were met with, everywhere manifestations of force at its maximum, and in complication with inexplicable exalted conditions of disease. While struck with the phenomena on a large scale, and feeling unable to find an explanation of them, people neglected to inquire after the small beginnings, on which alone the basis of a scientific structure could be raised. Not from the lightning and the thunder have we gathered the theories of electricity and of sound ; not from the eruption of volcanoes have we drawn our knowledge of the expansive force of steam ; but just as our forefathers fabled about these natural phenomena, because they did not understand them, even so have the modem savans of the category to which M. Dubois belongs, talked nonsense about the so-called animal magnetism, because they did not know it. I will not speak of medical men, but it is no better with the physicists and physiologists ; the majority of the former have rejected all cognizance of it, because they cannot understand the connection of cause and effect ; and of the latter because they will not. However, this is not the path of the investigation of Nature, and the offence against enlightenment is really greater in the latter than the former. It does not redound to the honour of our contemporaries to stand obstinately firm in that primitive condition of blind ignorance, and to refuse to see at all how monstrously they lay themselves open on this side. …. All that gossip about lies and deceit is in reality quite misplaced ; when we examine more closely, it lies essentially not in the sensitive (the medium), but, on the contrary, in the subjectiveness of the pre-occupied, or not unfrequently incompetent inquirer. One must understand how to investigate, one must know how to question nature, if one would obtain a clear and instructive answer ; but it is not every one who can do this, so far as we know. … When, however, the inquirer does not know how to put the questions, from want of skill how to manipulate with the apparatus, from ignorance of the conditions how to arrange the experiments, from want of tact to comprehend the answers, and from want of acuteness of understanding how to discover the relations of the observations to each other : then confusion and perplexity begin, misinterpreted results contradict each other ; and rather than look in the face his own weakness, and confess it to himself and others, he, a thousand times sooner, takes the dishonest subterfuge of accusing the observed person of deceit. But the betrayer of nature and science is no other than the man who, from incapacity, has the rashness and foolishness to desire to stamp the truth with the mark of a lie. … It is fashionable to sneer at isolated facts, and to withhold belief from any which appear extraordinary, and that can be accounted for only by the hypothesis of the existence of unknown or unexamined imponderable agencies… We are apt to be startled by relations of things that are new to us, and the repulsive agency of certain organs in the brain is, in some persons, called into operation. In standing on the defensive, it is sometimes a property of our structures that we should become offensive ; and in refusing belief to things thought to be unusual, our self-esteem, and love of opposition, and cunning, and jealousy, and envy, derived from love of possession, the true gluttony of selfishness, — our cultivated obstinate vanity, assuring us that in piggish scepticism resides the philosophy which really buds only from the highest and most delicate organization, not allowing us to perceive how frequently we become illogical, teaches us to reject truths presented to us by our fellows in the best faith of their sincere feelings. I could mention the names of men, having high reputations in the world, who either have forgotten that love of justice which belongs to conscientiousness, and that love of truth that belongs to high moral natures, or who have laboured under such obliquity of intellect as to have been unaware that, in some cases, the arriving hastily at disgusting conclusions is the characteristic of the narrow intellect of low-bred blackguards, and not of polite gentlemen. But the charity that springs from a conviction of man being the creature of his organization, and the circumstances which impel him to his actions, covers such beings with the pity that falls to their share. Why should the relation of an extraordinary fact like that stated by Mr. Henderson not be believed ? It could not have resulted from fancy, … » Maryse</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=439&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="26HYovU6vbBwT0NkfMfay_dnl9UyMAqvR5DJBKegZkE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> </section> Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:48:58 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 137 at http://oddbooks.com Cyclomancy: The Secret of Psychic Power Control http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/young.html <span>Cyclomancy: The Secret of Psychic Power Control</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>25 May 2005 - 03:00</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Frank Rudolph Young</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-publisher d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Publisher<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">Parker Publishing Co., West Nyack NY</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">1st. 1966</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/invented-terminology" hreflang="en">invented terminology</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/excessive-use-capitalization" hreflang="en">Excessive Use Of Capitalization</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/ooh-spooky" hreflang="en">Ooh, Spooky</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p><a href="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/cyclomancy.jpg"><img alt="Cyclomancy: The Secret of Psychic Power Control" height="335" src="/sites/default/files/files/images/oddbooks/cyclomancy.jpg" data-entity-uuid="cd5e5e85-06b5-49db-871e-4ea7fd9360b1" data-entity-type="file" class="align-right align-right" width="203" /></a></p> <p>Power. Deep down, isn't that what we all want? Power over others, power to induce them to do our bidding, power to get what we want when we want it. Even better, psychic power, so one can control people with the mind, without resistance or resentment. (Just what I want for my birthday, in case you were wondering.) That is the promise of this book.</p> <p>Its author, Frank Rudolph Young, says he is a master of yoga: whatever the truth of that claim it is apparent he is not a master of understatement. The blurb on the rear cover tells us, for example, that this book will demonstrate:</p> <ul> <li> <blockquote> ... how you fascinate others with your thoughts, entrance them with your grace of movement, increase your muscle power up to 10 times with your mind alone, arouse intense desire in the opposite sex by your mere presence...</blockquote> </li> <li> <blockquote> Because Cyclomancy <em>is</em> magic you may achieve any result you desire with it...</blockquote> </li> <li> <blockquote> HOW TO MOVE OBJECTS WITHOUT TOUCHING THEM!</blockquote> </li> <li> <blockquote> HOW TO SEE UP CLOSE FROM A DISTANCE OF TWO THOUSAND MILES!</blockquote> </li> <li> <blockquote> HOW YOU MAY ACQUIRE AND USE X RAY VISION!</blockquote> </li> <li> <blockquote> MATERIALIZING OBJECTS OUT OF THIN AIR!</blockquote> </li> <li> <blockquote> HOW TO REDUCE AND STAY SLIM WITHOUT STARVATION!</blockquote> </li> </ul> <p>Personally, if I could “arouse intense desire in the opposite sex by [my] mere presence” I wouldn't worry about my waistline. That aside, Cyclomancy is so impressive in its scope that some might be sceptical about the reality of Young's claims, but he sets all such doubts aside by presenting some impeccable credentials:</p> <blockquote> Frank Rudolph Young's granduncle was a long-lived Yogi in far-away India. For 40 years, Mr Young's father investigated the secrets of psychic power in the West Indies and in Central and South America. Mr. Young himself spent 30 years investigating the scientific laws behind Cyclomancy. Since 1955 he has taught these findings to thousands of followers throughout the world.</blockquote> <p>There you are then. Grand-nephew of a “Yogi in far-away India” (<a href="http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&amp;latitude=36.3325&amp;longitude=-88.25806&amp;zoom=7">India, Tennessee</a>, I'm guessing) and son of a psychic investigator. It must all be true, surely.</p> <p>Sometimes promises made on the exterior of a book are belied by its content, having been composed by some unscrupulous hack rather than its author. However in this case the tone of wild overstatement is continued throughout, and in fact the content of the book is even more insane than its blurb suggests. The following short extract comes from a chapter titled, wonderfully, How to Use the Astounding Power of Your Brain Horns and Put It Under Psychic Power Control:</p> <blockquote> Exercise 1. How To Tranquilize Highly Wrought-Up People with Infrared Ray Projections. Vince Laplante has suffered serious blows through poor investments, business reverses or a shocking discovery about the state of his health. The moment you lay eyes on him, use the Psychic Arc to bring twice the amount of heat to your body surface. Think of the juicy steak to warm up your skin, then draw this heat quickly from all over you and pack it into two narrow, short hot rods in your Brain Horns so that they actually burn your eyes a little. Deliver, now, a psychic command rocket behind the hot rods, with the following command, “Vince, you'll win out! Just be a little patient! You'll win out!” (That prevents your conscious mind from analyzing the advice and reasoning whether it is realistic or not. Just forget your logic and let your psychic power command straight to behind the hot rods, carrying with it all its confident power).</blockquote> <p>I doubt that the idea of thinking about a “juicy steak” in order to warm oneself up is part of conventional Yogic teaching, which is strictly vegetarian, but to be able to send infra red rays from one's eyes would certainly be useful, especially when the TV remote has disappeared down the back of the sofa. (“Just forget your logic”, indeed.) And as proof that Young's weird way with imagery is not confined to confusing references to “hot rods”, here's another even more bizarre example:</p> <blockquote> <p>Exercise. How to Establish Mutual Rapport Fast Between You and Anyone. You run into Martin on the street, in the office, at a social gathering, in your house, or his, the golf course or anywhere else. Instantly visualize his torso, from head to thighs, as secreting within it a profusion of acetylcholine at every Nerve Gap. Or you can just visualize his torso and at the same time think strongly of a juicy steak or of something else that you relish eating. Maintain that thought or vision clearly for two seconds.</p> <p>This mental picture will automatically be telepathized into Martin's mind. It will be a picture of a <em>painless</em> torso, for acetylcholine is secreted by your loving nerves, and those are nerves of <em>pleasure</em>, not pain.</p> <p>Martin's conscious mind will subsequently ignore any pain sensations from his Sensations Recording Center which originated in his torso or which are caused by it reflexly, like a stomach headache. So he feels better immediately and subconsciously associates you with that feeling. He is left eager to meet you or associate with again. You have created mutual rapport between you two ... fast.</p> </blockquote> <p>To encourage people to fantasise about the torsos of those they meet, bathed in secretions, seems frankly dangerous. I've seen <cite><a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0169547/">American Beauty</a></cite>, you know. “Mutual rapport” may not be exactly what you create ... fast.</p> <p>To write like this, one must have a very warped sense of humour, or none. To help you decide, here's some more of Young's strange advice:</p> <blockquote> <p>If you visit ill and crabby Teddy, improve his frame of mind with the tender touch.</p> <p>When you go to bed, do the Zembla to retard old age.</p> <p>When you lie there, win back a vacillating romantic partner, or wife or husband, with the Psychic Antidrom.</p> <p>Arouse your marital partner incredibly with the Human Lamp.</p> </blockquote> <p>And, oh yes, “make all these attainments permanent with the Psychic Mold”. (Maybe later, when my Brain Horns are rested. Gosh, I've overdone the Zembla again.)</p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=145&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="hDs6saa9RnhOIQukQnTytBaVYAnSm5j6hzE2Y4NbCDs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-62" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1218201539"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 08 Aug 2008 - 15:18</span> <a href="/comment/62#comment-62" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/62#comment-62" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">i want to buy this book. and</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">i want to buy this book. and am in Ghana, how can you help me get one of this book. contact me on soccerninja@outgun.com or +233 207733665</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=62&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="C8it86G_b5lJ1JtD26TMDVeuXzs7A4IPr2wmya5D3WQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-31882" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1420184477"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span> on 02 Jan 2015 - 08:41</span> <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hi,<br /> i have copy of the book. and most of the books by Frank Young.. if interested to buy,contact me. $10 each.<br /> thanks</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=31882&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="PQW_M59deOh14K7BZG3vzGw4_K0neV4qFQCf9jAaEq4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/62#comment-62" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">i want to buy this book. and</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-33677" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1423519127"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">walter campbell (not verified)</span> on 09 Feb 2015 - 22:58</span> <a href="/comment/33677#comment-33677" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/33677#comment-33677" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">i want a copy of cyclomancy</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>i want a copy of cyclomancy</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=33677&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="JSTiYMQcYL2mBh7xT803l92nHIIy3A251zEb7AxTYyM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-36700" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1431201462"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kathy (not verified)</span> on 09 May 2015 - 21:57</span> <a href="/comment/36700#comment-36700" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/36700#comment-36700" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Is there a copy of the book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Is there a copy of the book still available? I am interested. Please email me.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=36700&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="zPipGsCYZHdsspWEeNiD4wrWpuTu8wcyO4YeDA7d7nY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-73892" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1587311248"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">joy (not verified)</span> on 19 Apr 2020 - 17:47</span> <a href="/comment/73892#comment-73892" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/73892#comment-73892" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">would like a book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>would like a book</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=73892&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="E2IZLOuGIl1cWteV0aCWT-CoZsmZkymT5enSb4_LCCs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/36700#comment-36700" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Is there a copy of the book</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kathy (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-38366" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1437516078"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">blake (not verified)</span> on 22 Jul 2015 - 00:01</span> <a href="/comment/38366#comment-38366" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/38366#comment-38366" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi! I want to buy this from</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hi! I want to buy this from you! Thanks!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=38366&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="clJ8ysF80UxOVH_r84JIDDGv6Y_18A1qMJhWJuSSZ-k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-38367" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1437516203"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">blake (not verified)</span> on 22 Jul 2015 - 00:03</span> <a href="/comment/38367#comment-38367" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/38367#comment-38367" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">615..85.29.707 call or text</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>615..85.29.707 call or text</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=38367&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="riW5wHAY8Ycvj-A0QhECNq-7506w4TXwDjQ8-qqFw3M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/38366#comment-38366" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi! I want to buy this from</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">blake (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-38836" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1439520612"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sanjay Yawatkar (not verified)</span> on 14 Aug 2015 - 04:50</span> <a href="/comment/38836#comment-38836" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/38836#comment-38836" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I want to purchase the book </a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I want to purchase the book Cyclomancy secret psychic power control</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=38836&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="vhiXg1UCANTov1CQSwuQFlYWe7wHVxSjMmoe4Kko5pY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-43436" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1454230593"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gary (not verified)</span> on 31 Jan 2016 - 09:56</span> <a href="/comment/43436#comment-43436" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/43436#comment-43436" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I am interested in Frank C</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I am interested in Frank C Young books, I have Yoga for Men and Cyclomancy. You have some for Sale?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=43436&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Kwa5AcY5dsJL7laLk9saJzmk44qu_gdkgAVNeoAOoh0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-44525" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1460299357"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bleuw (not verified)</span> on 10 Apr 2016 - 16:42</span> <a href="/comment/44525#comment-44525" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/44525#comment-44525" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would like to buy a copy of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I would like to buy a copy of all Frank Rudolph Young books, especially Cyclomancy !!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=44525&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="-11Ck6yW7rwTF7DrUEFJDESrCrbmoGww6aksM5ekygw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47843" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1483177326"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:42</span> <a href="/comment/47843#comment-47843" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47843#comment-47843" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have this book and it&#039;s in</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I have this book and it&#039;s in excellent condition. It&#039;s for sale</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47843&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="pEAfJBHbszo5ciIlLmnHMkzZJ0Cw7yiB9dwMXlr5UTY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/44525#comment-44525" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would like to buy a copy of</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bleuw (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-56667" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1550378413"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FRED (not verified)</span> on 17 Feb 2019 - 05:40</span> <a href="/comment/56667#comment-56667" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/56667#comment-56667" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">please i need RUDOLF YOUNG</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>please i need RUDOLF YOUNG BOOKS FOR FREE</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=56667&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="K9UXGQ79vBDP3D5MnbyHe534uKPtALRQA22Fq6aJN3U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/47843#comment-47843" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have this book and it&#039;s in</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-56683" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1550407050"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 17 Feb 2019 - 13:37</span> <a href="/comment/56683#comment-56683" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/56683#comment-56683" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You don&#039;t, you know. You</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>You don't, you know. You really don't.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=56683&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="8KASrJ8A0FMEgja6S3MXSG9niv9pASy5P6Ezi982z6c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/56667#comment-56667" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">please i need RUDOLF YOUNG</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FRED (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47844" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1483177382"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:43</span> <a href="/comment/47844#comment-47844" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47844#comment-47844" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have this book for sale...</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I have this book for sale....I&#039;m up for offers</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47844&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Z2oZpfGst9otx1j36H0cL-TH5IHqxvehRYlHUHiDS7s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/44525#comment-44525" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would like to buy a copy of</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bleuw (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47629" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1479055186"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jack Meadors (not verified)</span> on 13 Nov 2016 - 17:39</span> <a href="/comment/47629#comment-47629" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47629#comment-47629" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I am interested in purchasing</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I am interested in purchasing books by Young. Email me if you ones to sale! Thanks</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47629&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="lj9njXdIFTppVBk6SeJvdWsftfplZKZoaY5C68XWLU8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47842" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1483177260"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:41</span> <a href="/comment/47842#comment-47842" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47842#comment-47842" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have the book in excellent</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I have the book in excellent condition and it&#039;s for sale....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47842&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="nmf7JntJ_hc9JKJWwOJlldw0ybLcuBkuqqte8wfw-Tc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/47629#comment-47629" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I am interested in purchasing</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jack Meadors (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-48849" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1490304006"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NATHAN Wright (not verified)</span> on 23 Mar 2017 - 22:20</span> <a href="/comment/48849#comment-48849" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/48849#comment-48849" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you still have the book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Do you still have the book available</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=48849&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ns-gRgKxJNMrmg7uRkrujBBSNIKO1NR2Z_In0ukqkdc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/47842#comment-47842" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have the book in excellent</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-69460" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1584260809"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Becca (not verified)</span> on 15 Mar 2020 - 09:26</span> <a href="/comment/69460#comment-69460" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/69460#comment-69460" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi are you still selling?</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hi are you still selling?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=69460&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="8yJ-dTnJ4qk9ovUxP_vSB2ZgFUH90Q7yE8TbGA3Xqjg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/47842#comment-47842" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have the book in excellent</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-73259" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1586968746"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Drey (not verified)</span> on 15 Apr 2020 - 18:39</span> <a href="/comment/73259#comment-73259" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/73259#comment-73259" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have the full pdf for free.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I have the full pdf for free. Shoot me a email I’ll shoot you the book</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=73259&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ZpeqelbklvxY6wP4GbF2YZgTiueJ7-N5NHGMa26pwF0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/69460#comment-69460" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi are you still selling?</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Becca (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-73260" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1586968792"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dreyk904 (not verified)</span> on 15 Apr 2020 - 18:39</span> <a href="/comment/73260#comment-73260" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/73260#comment-73260" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">It’s my username at gmail</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>It’s my username at gmail</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=73260&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="nX3fq8XKJGzNmzYda_ImrWA-EmkzCrLUvx1v82xzFvc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/73259#comment-73259" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have the full pdf for free.</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Drey (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-73261" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1586968825"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dreyk904 (not verified)</span> on 15 Apr 2020 - 18:40</span> <a href="/comment/73261#comment-73261" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/73261#comment-73261" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Dreyk904@gmail</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p><a href="mailto:Dreyk904@gmail">Dreyk904@gmail</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=73261&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="vmFUZcsAn7LeoyolSafeos36pAjCuF_HeFvBD5nfvC8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/73260#comment-73260" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">It’s my username at gmail</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dreyk904 (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-73812" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1587257028"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jay (not verified)</span> on 19 Apr 2020 - 02:43</span> <a href="/comment/73812#comment-73812" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/73812#comment-73812" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Good Evening! If you have the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Good Evening! If you have the time to send me a PDF of this book, I would be extremely grateful, ThaNK yOU!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=73812&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="R3Oavqd2CmzoTg8WbGGqGF8oily1J5m1Meh0t67LAys"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/73259#comment-73259" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have the full pdf for free.</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Drey (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-73813" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1587257152"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jay (not verified)</span> on 19 Apr 2020 - 02:45</span> <a href="/comment/73813#comment-73813" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/73813#comment-73813" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">jas840@Gmail.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p><a href="mailto:jas840@Gmail">jas840@Gmail</a>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=73813&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="0UWo-lxHiQbdH08fPabrDJhHaNoiLZV6jGEK814iWZQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/73812#comment-73812" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Good Evening! If you have the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jay (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-73975" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1587365214"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Rashidah Debbie Williams">Rashidah Debbi… (not verified)</span> on 20 Apr 2020 - 08:46</span> <a href="/comment/73975#comment-73975" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/73975#comment-73975" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Interested in reading this</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Interested in reading this book</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=73975&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="E9Ow5i9XNOObjXacHbqmCIYwwSMOGyYETcJMA4yV1Cw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/73259#comment-73259" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have the full pdf for free.</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Drey (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-75255" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1588019812"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MELVIN MCMILLIAN (not verified)</span> on 27 Apr 2020 - 22:36</span> <a href="/comment/75255#comment-75255" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/75255#comment-75255" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would really appreciate it</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I would really appreciate it if you send me the book please and thank u</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=75255&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="yP8DHhbG0GZsBevFMH9HaEYGmBcfTZ3hIV2eFHLlO6E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/73259#comment-73259" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have the full pdf for free.</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Drey (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div></div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-48848" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1490303927"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NATHAN Wright (not verified)</span> on 23 Mar 2017 - 22:18</span> <a href="/comment/48848#comment-48848" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/48848#comment-48848" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you still have this book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Do you still have this book available</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=48848&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Z_fenhA_cqoAAgvoOIB2fn5o66m999ljXxC2mnQe_Fg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-51632" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1505371920"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael peterson (not verified)</span> on 14 Sep 2017 - 08:52</span> <a href="/comment/51632#comment-51632" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/51632#comment-51632" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would like to purchase</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I would like to purchase</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=51632&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="sSGR1LRx2fqZbwiNwj5HX4tYwKMTCwP1k8CT_EeQ7e0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-53065" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1511030435"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julius (not verified)</span> on 18 Nov 2017 - 19:40</span> <a href="/comment/53065#comment-53065" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/53065#comment-53065" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you have &quot;Yogametrics&quot;</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Do you have &quot;Yogametrics&quot;</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=53065&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="VOEYti737aJZeMJYj9a5yiwMDKj7KHX90-PPl028LCA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-55664" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1540721265"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sam (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2018 - 11:07</span> <a href="/comment/55664#comment-55664" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/55664#comment-55664" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi, I recently came across</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hi, I recently came across this Amazing author.. Frank Rudolph. &amp; I read your post, about having most of his books.</p> <p>I&#039;m into these kind of book, &amp; spiritual Self evolution.. I think that Frank, was wanting to help many people achieve just that?..</p> <p>It liked your post, &amp; Yes, I would love to hear from you, &amp; if I my buy some copies from you?. Please reach out to me . </p> <p>Thanks?.<br /> Sam Crosby.. 0770 426 2929.<br /> God bless. Superwin.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=55664&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="xU7LlWgJsk5UQCy-qE3VxGU-gnbZuQ2C6FpQyWewfsc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-55665" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1540728294"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 28 Oct 2018 - 13:04</span> <a href="/comment/55665#comment-55665" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/55665#comment-55665" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I am not a bookseller, Sam.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I am not a bookseller, Sam. Try here: http://used.addall.com/SuperRare/RefineRare.fcgi?id=181028050423529079</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=55665&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="tUD9KjJ8omuOZxde4_2D5m9olBGpNvlk5nhDjEvtrLk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/55664#comment-55664" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi, I recently came across</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sam (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-55884" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1545427711"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sam (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2018 - 22:28</span> <a href="/comment/55884#comment-55884" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/55884#comment-55884" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Your a hero, Alfred.. thanks</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Your a hero, Alfred.. thanks buddy!.<br /> Have a great Christmas?.</p> <p>Speak soon?.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=55884&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="dvyO8GvTTIstc7Ggksgt8b2yKi8BKy3QeO9fImsgmbk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/55665#comment-55665" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I am not a bookseller, Sam.</a> by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-55890" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1545489415"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 22 Dec 2018 - 15:36</span> <a href="/comment/55890#comment-55890" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/55890#comment-55890" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You&#039;re very welcome, Sam.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>You're very welcome, Sam. Happy Christmas.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=55890&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="tWLMR30ph2LmGBBHl5JxOcCTbuppl9qr1FfvaCic_GY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/55884#comment-55884" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Your a hero, Alfred.. thanks</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sam (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-57266" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1551727508"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">TYLER (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2019 - 20:25</span> <a href="/comment/57266#comment-57266" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/57266#comment-57266" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">how much for the cyclomancy</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>how much for the cyclomancy book hit my email if ur serious</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=57266&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Yo73HPFPhdVkvyudQh7UrDwhcbvM61bmSMr-y9HiYaU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-64556" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1569090412"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Moses (not verified)</span> on 21 Sep 2019 - 20:26</span> <a href="/comment/64556#comment-64556" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/64556#comment-64556" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hello. Do you still have the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hello. Do you still have the hard cover to cyclomancy available for $10?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=64556&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="m85HEPmF1rYD2nVK0MLusmdpg_dqEnWwaZy7Tf6GfTM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-75582" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1589647555"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">shane cottrell (not verified)</span> on 08 May 2020 - 23:56</span> <a href="/comment/75582#comment-75582" hreflang="en">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/75582#comment-75582" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en">I would like to buy…</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I would like to buy Cyclomancy by Frank Young.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=75582&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OQECyimYW90LDwQBxeRuoUF5Vwnc9uR_buCoHrlzSj8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/31882#comment-31882" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">superwin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-83" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1222024810"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 21 Sep 2008 - 21:20</span> <a href="/comment/83#comment-83" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/83#comment-83" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">It seems like you read the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">It seems like you read the book with a narrow-mind to begin with. The author has written great books, and I do not doubt his background. I have seen a picture of him and indeed he does look of Indian-descent.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=83&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="SDtCp-pKUyv12yzVaHjD8KDDwzjQ7Ul0OcXloOToS68"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-86" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1222521055"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 27 Sep 2008 - 15:10</span> <a href="/comment/86#comment-86" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/86#comment-86" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">i love apple mango orange</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">i love [list] [*]apple [*]mango [*]orange</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=86&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="2LeVSsNGDducmVEYddJwrJ8JuQEaheGsVSRHsyTr0FA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-97" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1226887950"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 17 Nov 2008 - 03:12</span> <a href="/comment/97#comment-97" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/97#comment-97" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">So... a book from a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">So... a book from a publisher in West Nyack, nyack, nyack. I am The Penguin and I am so groovy. I shake my monocle at you for filing this story under "spooky". Frank was a great man. A great man, I say! Taught me many good tricks back in the day. Nyack, nyack, nyack.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=97&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="cWblZ9jyxdZL-5mEk1tTD-TO_ps6xgMlYWkdefktsUc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-100" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1227654465"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 26 Nov 2008 - 00:07</span> <a href="/comment/100#comment-100" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/100#comment-100" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How do i obtain this book?</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">How do i obtain this book? I would like to take my studies in this direction.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=100&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="w42RtX3qxyLk_-FJPfJar_V_B3P_T2XjB2p3xk5c0_0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-104" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1228009933"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2008 - 02:52</span> <a href="/comment/104#comment-104" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/104#comment-104" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You can find copies on</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You can find copies on Amazon, Ebay and all over the net. Ebay is the best place to find a cheap copy. It's a Treasure Trove and very powerful. I suggest you be careful as it's complelely real and scientific. When he warns you in the first chapters to develop your powers to a minor degree and still become a superman he's not kidding! A little bit is enough! Other than that have fun! Also highly suggested by the same author are The Laws of Mental Domination and Somo Psychic Power.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=104&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ZzCkuWH4k4B8L4Dr80aF1TqPDv2FGrpyTg5xeihGt1I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/100#comment-100" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How do i obtain this book?</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-13254" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1407377136"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sanjay yawatkar (not verified)</span> on 07 Aug 2014 - 04:05</span> <a href="/comment/13254#comment-13254" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/13254#comment-13254" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I like to read odd books</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I like to read odd books</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=13254&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="tk626tjz2cezcccrIO_2XOVSrIQa9xtcbDhD6gjHgH8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/104#comment-104" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You can find copies on</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-105" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1228010003"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2008 - 02:53</span> <a href="/comment/105#comment-105" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/105#comment-105" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You can find copies on</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You can find copies on Amazon, Ebay and all over the net. Ebay is the best place to find a cheap copy. It's a Treasure Trove and very powerful. I suggest you be careful as it's complelely real and scientific. When he warns you in the first chapters to develop you powers to a minor degree and still become a superman he's not kidding! A little bit is enough! Other than that have fun! Also highly suggested by the same author are The Laws of Mental Domination and Somo Psychic Power.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=105&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="KeZyFAAvE65lUq-TC7I_YClG7tExEVcYT8bbzRx2OxE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/100#comment-100" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How do i obtain this book?</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-111" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1228935765"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 10 Dec 2008 - 20:02</span> <a href="/comment/111#comment-111" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/111#comment-111" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Could you share success</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Could you share success using the techniques in the book?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=111&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="6cZOfURW7NdZZs8Ha4q0M-KviJlWztNV_fKg_bQyZpM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/105#comment-105" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You can find copies on</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-855" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1275947331"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">violetdoll (not verified)</span> on 07 Jun 2010 - 23:48</span> <a href="/comment/855#comment-855" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/855#comment-855" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you wish to purchase this</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Do you wish to purchase this book?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=855&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="fSHgSmsXGNlnVbJuEE40uwHGzi1QiDwTeRBuViU0BfI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/100#comment-100" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How do i obtain this book?</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-900" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279660178"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 20 Jul 2010 - 23:09</span> <a href="/comment/900#comment-900" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/900#comment-900" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you know where a copy of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Do you know where a copy of Cyclomancy can be downloaded or purchased?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=900&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="nRhRH7UFK8Haad8XhQkl3OohEeIQsEjlJa_9Ugv1Wck"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/855#comment-855" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you wish to purchase this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">violetdoll (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-901" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279660396"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 20 Jul 2010 - 23:13</span> <a href="/comment/901#comment-901" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/901#comment-901" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Try http://used.addall.com</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Try http://used.addall.com though copies tend to be pricy.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=901&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="U1BMb_7q0-NVMbOTEDXhYHnQByd9715yg177TLzfrFU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/900#comment-900" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you know where a copy of</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1160" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293424220"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kiran Gadre (not verified)</span> on 27 Dec 2010 - 05:30</span> <a href="/comment/1160#comment-1160" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1160#comment-1160" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes, Please let me know price</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Yes, Please let me know price and availability in India.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1160&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="oZwUVntJz5cEhocBi1BfmM8upJsUFzy4fwN_4NPDJN4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/855#comment-855" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you wish to purchase this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">violetdoll (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1458" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1313693197"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jose (not verified)</span> on 18 Aug 2011 - 20:46</span> <a href="/comment/1458#comment-1458" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1458#comment-1458" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Yes</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1458&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="c6HkhYk-hGU_l1mnQsuxjMf8UYo59bLhbedS9tPtVVk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/855#comment-855" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you wish to purchase this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">violetdoll (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-13255" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1407377284"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sanjay yawatkar (not verified)</span> on 07 Aug 2014 - 04:08</span> <a href="/comment/13255#comment-13255" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/13255#comment-13255" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Yes</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=13255&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="6VoU9cc-xZcbNJR1BNzqJqkhfsPlgTcMjPcCeUJMUlQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/855#comment-855" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you wish to purchase this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">violetdoll (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-44080" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1457428390"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Esther (not verified)</span> on 08 Mar 2016 - 10:13</span> <a href="/comment/44080#comment-44080" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/44080#comment-44080" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I need this book. Whats the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I need this book. Whats the price . I m in kolkats</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=44080&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="qGOAp43Qb4e0B6Hycd9LHZ-R2rraEEvF0cgVgj4oCv8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/855#comment-855" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you wish to purchase this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">violetdoll (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-44081" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1457428400"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Esther (not verified)</span> on 08 Mar 2016 - 10:13</span> <a href="/comment/44081#comment-44081" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/44081#comment-44081" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I need this book. Whats the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I need this book. Whats the price . I m in kolkats</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=44081&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="WoRP0oXHdnRi_ISeVZ9n6RjxLUysVoBiZmL-2PFsWOY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/855#comment-855" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Do you wish to purchase this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">violetdoll (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-108" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1228849196"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 09 Dec 2008 - 19:59</span> <a href="/comment/108#comment-108" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/108#comment-108" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Is there anyone who has used</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Is there anyone who has used the book and seen real results?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=108&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="dLDftNRKql4t7wSFkfjlh1NJLqWVb1YRNGDONouPxdk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-109" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1228849278"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 09 Dec 2008 - 20:01</span> <a href="/comment/109#comment-109" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/109#comment-109" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Is there anyone who has</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Is there anyone who has successfully used the instructions in this book?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=109&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="6_7ddwNWPbufQ_Z5SvG9u4xywkfiVXnd2dN01kx09nY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-110" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1228935708"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 10 Dec 2008 - 20:01</span> <a href="/comment/110#comment-110" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/110#comment-110" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Has anyone had success using</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Has anyone had success using the techniques in the cyclomancy book?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=110&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="31mSgAfC_NQ2qegJntYZEx2flWsMPPkjPiunBOY8m2g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-116" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1229835318"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2008 - 05:55</span> <a href="/comment/116#comment-116" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/116#comment-116" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">show me the true power of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">show me the true power of gardian</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=116&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="I8KeujPf-YZXimc0lM0d1HOoBydy0WX43qj-OFqgv3c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-117" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1229835382"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 21 Dec 2008 - 05:56</span> <a href="/comment/117#comment-117" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/117#comment-117" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">show me the true power of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">show me the true power of soldier</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=117&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="cBguR2Gz8B8dL6B8WleMbMNQX8Qsvn-tqfdSCPdD8Pg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-123" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1230725378"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2008 - 13:09</span> <a href="/comment/123#comment-123" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/123#comment-123" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">there are real results.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">there are real results. there have been weird instances in india. approximately in the 1970s where yogis have been seen with aura's and doing ridiculous acts of strength.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=123&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="WiMw3JrEqrR1fbow-kskjA2uB--mTDx4dMAU0u4o_Vk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-133" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1231879018"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 13 Jan 2009 - 21:36</span> <a href="/comment/133#comment-133" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/133#comment-133" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I know people can use these</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I know people can use these techniques as I have been a 'victim' of it. In the examples above, it seems they are using the techniques directed at an individual for that individuals highest good and to help them. Which is fine. In my experience, I consider myself a totally rational, logical individual who bases things on scientific evidence. Well, no more. There is a power in the universe and if one uses it for sexual power, like what happened to me, it borders on the occult or black magic. I remember thinking how I always wondered how previously 'normal' women would drive get away cars for bank robbers and do other things they would never do - now I know. My situation never came to that, but when I thought about it and realized that I didn't have total control over my thoughts and actions I investigated it further. People who do it to control others have serious issues and I believe will suffer serious karmic effects for doing things that are not in the best interests of a person. Power over others in my book is occult related. I think it is the total opposite of love and caring. People who have to have control and power are sociopathic and narcissistic.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=133&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="XQdruBeNati01bnwW1Z6hxorxTnSbx_edLPNIgqOTQs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-142" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232821157"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 24 Jan 2009 - 19:19</span> <a href="/comment/142#comment-142" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/142#comment-142" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">... yes it does work but</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">... yes it does work but only to a degree</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=142&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="8bSuyy396C2yaKaM7PLg08z6N3tJt-NTfPc8jlIPpbU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-151" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1233674687"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 03 Feb 2009 - 16:24</span> <a href="/comment/151#comment-151" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/151#comment-151" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&#039;Personally, if I could</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">'Personally, if I could “arouse intense desire in the opposite sex by [my] mere presence” I wouldn't worry about my waistline.' You worrying about your waistline is precisely why you aren't able to arouse intense desire in the opposite sex by merely being in their presence.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=151&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="mKdqWRnUJvpKskR6SO-GopV9JZkIt6Mn8iEMi6YoBz0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-152" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1233740150"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 Feb 2009 - 10:35</span> <a href="/comment/152#comment-152" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/152#comment-152" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You win this week&#039;s wittiest</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>You win this week's wittiest comment contest! </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=152&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="PMmQp0jptMq7x6nc89Mqop0_Geo4Ji_IW6-fo7CCgLU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/151#comment-151" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&#039;Personally, if I could</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-343" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1238164839"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 27 Mar 2009 - 15:40</span> <a href="/comment/343#comment-343" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/343#comment-343" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">HOG WASH! AT LEAST &quot;HARRY</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">HOG WASH! AT LEAST "HARRY POTTER" IS LITERATURE!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=343&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="RhbBEk21ey_lQIvLfnxbx7t4DAC3jPllsTmCSKxSR-o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-407" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1242840368"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 20 May 2009 - 19:26</span> <a href="/comment/407#comment-407" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/407#comment-407" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">EVERYONE: The book works to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">EVERYONE: The book works to a degree. It challenges ones state of mind, reality rather. The key behind the whole book is to develop a bond with your body. to find patience within yourself. then you can dominate reality with just the way you are. since ive read it, i can make events work in my favor, play minds games, its changed my life alot. its not for everyone. you litteral have to mentally and physically DRIVE YOURSELF INTO A STATE OF HYSTERIA TO USE THIS BOOK or it WILL NOT WORK FOR YOU. so, anyone with a mental disorder is probably going to have more luck with this then the conservative narrow minded thinker. i felt like a freak at first, but one is the wiser when i gave in to it. Sometimes i feel like Satan himself for all things i get away with now...so beware...</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=407&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="U_r_5Z8riNG0kn0qMU3M5fPGg8ZUYGrzouE5aF2YNDs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-515" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1254264504"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tengri (not verified)</span> on 30 Sep 2009 - 00:48</span> <a href="/comment/515#comment-515" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/515#comment-515" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This is solid information.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">This is solid information. Less "weird" or "hokey" than his other books or information from the same publisher. All the books have issues due to them coming out in the 50's. One thing I must say about the publisher. Originally murphy's books came out from the same publisher. You can see his books in the book lists in the back of all the paperbacks. I knew murphys teacher. Used to be my neibor in 1996. I learned some interesting things about salesmen. Your infinite power to become rich is a salesmens bible. What I find interesting if not troubling is a lot of these out-of-print books are ripped off or rehashed by other unscrupilous types, basically with the same issues I learned about from murphys university professor, my neibor. This hackery was invariably incorporated into the modern day seduction, NLP and self-help circles. If you do the reasearch and dig up old references. You'll realize that people are intentionally/unintentionally commiting "intellectual plagarism" by denying the genetic roots of the concepts. Or they are using methods basically to control people. Witchcraft, kinesics, body language, mantras, magic spells. What i'm seeing a lot of is people are not products of what they teach. In other words, there is more going on than meets the eyes. I learned from a psychic that used to be based in florida. Who was also an author who is part of this web who really invented remote viewing. She was approached by the CIA *BEFORE* ingo swan and those guys claim to have invented remote viewing (pronounced BS). They ripped off her methodology and tweaked it. Which basically is what makes it "unique". Minus her method as taught in her books and instructionals. What i'm alluding here is more of the same. If you paid $5,000 an hour to learn it from some NLP or seduction guru or "someone else". You got ripped off. And chances are it was already written in an out of print book in the 50's when NOBODY was talking about this stuff.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=515&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="1jgIoy1PpVDAtqDy8WMjhzstPLRlBkHgW0V9cXpLF4A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1161" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293548891"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">D (not verified)</span> on 28 Dec 2010 - 16:08</span> <a href="/comment/1161#comment-1161" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1161#comment-1161" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">who is the woman who</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">who is the woman who originated remote viewing and is she still alive and can be contacted? Thanks</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1161&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="d6a5WDysvonIZ_g4_78q3P_MEn7DOlf4j-5C4EpkfUA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/515#comment-515" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This is solid information.</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tengri (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1162" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293549055"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 28 Dec 2010 - 16:10</span> <a href="/comment/1162#comment-1162" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1162#comment-1162" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alive or dead, she&#039;ll contact</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Alive or dead, she'll contact you if she wants. </p> <p>WOOOOOOHHH!</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1162&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="98kgdnpSPudwY0KDVyBhzRJmx2l2IQkdPqL1zoX5B8w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1161#comment-1161" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">who is the woman who</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">D (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-537" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1255428381"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 13 Oct 2009 - 12:06</span> <a href="/comment/537#comment-537" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/537#comment-537" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">What in the hell is all this</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">What in the hell is all this nonsense. "This is solid information"? Are you retarded?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=537&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="HpwredJYWVm9g6i2yTjMKGo4pAAK5WRDu7kAJbMIynE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-577" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259457373"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2009 - 02:16</span> <a href="/comment/577#comment-577" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/577#comment-577" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I once had a psychic vision</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I once had a psychic vision of a man who used his psychic power to manifest trillions of dollars, his name is Rothschild and he hypnotized the entire world into using his monopoly money that he created out of thin air.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=577&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="oXb2Sl1NGBoGlsPoCuYeXTWuM9B2xcAdWJ4jOnNsMGI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-584" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1260143005"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">anonymous (not verified)</span> on 07 Dec 2009 - 00:43</span> <a href="/comment/584#comment-584" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/584#comment-584" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I can has this book? My</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I can has this book? My daughter requires my assistance and need to propel her toward magnificent prospering. She has gone zami. We must not be flippant with such astronomical gifts and instruction. Please email talk to me as you do not like it: nokuzola.tuigamala@yahoo.com so i can learn powers instead, so you can help me.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=584&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="sj5hBU0IHDjisIz6Yp3OFGa_wK4ljJAouo3qJ6EPYl8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-585" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1260266603"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 08 Dec 2009 - 11:03</span> <a href="/comment/585#comment-585" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/585#comment-585" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I wish your daughter all the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I wish your daughter all the magnificent prospering possible, but I fear this book will not help. It is merely a fraud perpetrated by the cynical on the gullible.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=585&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="xYRZyjHnghz5i3I-3EMkF58n-iV7n2kpxwhCA9hdvjs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/584#comment-584" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I can has this book? My</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-608" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1262404025"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Batz (not verified)</span> on 02 Jan 2010 - 04:47</span> <a href="/comment/608#comment-608" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/608#comment-608" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">So...I got this book at a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">So...I got this book at a YARD SALE when I was 12...I read it, and re-read it... there are elements that work... controlling your body is very important...I loaned the book out at 17 and never saw it again... I picked it up 6 years ago and it has sit on my bookshelf ever since...I need to read it again...in a world of self-exploration and quantum thinking... this book was ahead of it's time... As you can get it for next to nothing... read it... what have you to lose? Listening to negativity expressed on this board is a ticket to no where... negativity is absence of happiness...read it and see where it takes you.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=608&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="z68B3A9QIzRSjCwRukvGEkkfSoqpp4l6TM8wIx9bSVU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-610" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1262604359"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 Jan 2010 - 12:25</span> <a href="/comment/610#comment-610" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/610#comment-610" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Batz, the author makes</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Batz, the author makes audacious (some would say ridiculous) claims. He says you can learn how to move objects without touching them, for instance. It is not "negative" to doubt such extraordinary claims, it is reasonable, because generally people cannot do such things.</p><p>The book makes a lot of assertions but there is not one jot of evidence supporting any of them. It seems to me that it is much more likely that the author is a liar than that he really has some sort of magic powers. There are an awful lot of liars in the world, after all.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=610&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Pc7tAhfYzbwVMIJsatdIYP7xZkzMHJH8BBmOs2wTwN4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/608#comment-608" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">So...I got this book at a</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Batz (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-50816" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1502050059"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JS (not verified)</span> on 06 Aug 2017 - 22:07</span> <a href="/comment/50816#comment-50816" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/50816#comment-50816" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You could say pretty much the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>You could say pretty much the same thing about the Bible and all religions. But billions of people still believe.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=50816&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="zDiC5RZnl76voe3LN3cA4ucWsg6qkA5fbJyiepm43DM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/610#comment-610" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Batz, the author makes</a> by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-50825" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1502094856"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 07 Aug 2017 - 10:34</span> <a href="/comment/50825#comment-50825" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/50825#comment-50825" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;I can project myself into</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>"I can project myself into your room right now and prod you with my magic finger."</p> <p>"Yeah, right. I don't believe you."</p> <p>"You could say pretty much the same thing about the Bible and all religions, skeptic boy. ONLY BELIEVE."</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=50825&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="bnPFaccxW-6PbfNYbl8GqZJmeefhHmQNTQnSRW7Gb18"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/50816#comment-50816" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You could say pretty much the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JS (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-609" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1262445119"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 02 Jan 2010 - 16:11</span> <a href="/comment/609#comment-609" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/609#comment-609" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This Book is worded</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">This Book is worded strangely by today's standards, no doubt, but it's the same principles they will teach you in any sales improvement class today. Any information of this type can be used for the improvement of your life and others OR to harm. If you feel that harming others or manipulating them in a harmful way in necessary to get what you want -REMEMBER that the refection theory is just as real. In other words don't do anything that you wouldn't want some one to do to you.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=609&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="epVwJB1dDfqLnRGawcpg7KGkVkteurjFZc_1w0Fi0cY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-611" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1262604496"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 Jan 2010 - 12:28</span> <a href="/comment/611#comment-611" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/611#comment-611" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;it&#039;s the same principles</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>"it's the same principles they will teach you in any sales improvement class today".</p><p>Do they teach you how to view objects at a distance of two thousand miles in your sales class? Amazing! </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=611&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ydlvb8R9GsmhJTHIMJwOcSQFzdXSTFQ75nXMhYdH6_A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/609#comment-609" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This Book is worded</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-650" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265467541"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 06 Feb 2010 - 15:45</span> <a href="/comment/650#comment-650" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/650#comment-650" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Mr. Armstrong, I acquired</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Mr. Armstrong, I acquired this book in the 60s. Practiced some of the techniques in the book then tried them in the "real" world. They worked. From my point of view, Mr. Young wrote the same information in four different ways in four different books. Each book is written for a particular type of individual orientation. Cyclomancy: For individuals who are predominately visionally oriented. Somo-Psychic Power: For individuals who are predominately feeling oriented. Psychastra: For individuals who are predominately sound oriented. The Secret of Spirit-Thought Magic: For individuals who are predominately "?" oriented. There is obviously nothing written for individuals who are locked into their intellectual minds and cannot consider anything that might be in the realm of quantum physics. Forget the "out of this world" statements that just can't be true to the intellectual mind. Find what works for you, but remember this: What you project to others must first begin in you, AND IT WILL DEFINITELY EFFECT YOU. Don't project something that you do not want happening to you in the same way it is going to happen to them.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=650&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="qE-uNIXaeMXkWzQ8lomEtIW5pM9_6AR_yct41PtwnyU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-651" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265474189"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 06 Feb 2010 - 17:36</span> <a href="/comment/651#comment-651" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/651#comment-651" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This nonsense has as much to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>This nonsense has as much to do with quantum physics as it has with balloon modelling. Quantum physics has a coherent theoretical basis and it makes clear predictions about observable phenomena that can be verified, unlike Young's ramblings. It is entirely the work of "intellectual minds", and it cannot be used to justify vague notions about psychic phenomena. </p><p>(I am not surprised to hear he wrote this same stuff in several forms to appeal to different classes of sucker. I have another book also published by Parker, apparently written by one Walter Delaney, that I would be willing to bet was also by the same hand. It has the same vainglorious style of bogosity.)</p><p>As Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but there is none to be found in this book. (Anyone can say they can perform powerful feats of magic, but as <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/twominds/2008/03/indian_magician_fails_to_kill.php">this video</a> shows, the wise man avoids putting himself to the test.)</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=651&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="xD3afLXmbXAcDXV0Z-jLMsCQTu3xxKOTXkDjRUSsBaE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/650#comment-650" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Mr. Armstrong, I acquired</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-653" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265571566"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 07 Feb 2010 - 20:39</span> <a href="/comment/653#comment-653" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/653#comment-653" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Neither the &quot;works&quot; of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Neither the "works" of intellectual minds nor idiot minds can prove that God exist. God is "known" only by experiencing the "unknown" and this does not make any sense to a person's intellect no matter how smart or dumb that person is at the time. Even the people who practice meditation know they cannot reach the level of "oneness" by focusing on getting to that "level" even if they have experienced it at other times. We would all be "saints" by now if religion teachings worked, but what is "preached" and what is "projected" are two entirely different things - and very few people get this. A person mainly experiences what they "project". Mr. Armstrong, you experience precisely what you project and you cannot experience anything else. Therefore, nothing can exist outside of your projection that you do not believe in and I'll assume you would rather die than project anything else. (The meditation people tell me that I'm using the wrong word with you. I should be using manifest instead of project. I say that neither one will be accepted by your belief system in this context.) The proof does not lie in the book. The proof lies within each individual and their unique belief system. A person's intellect is based upon their belief system. (The educational system measures only a person's intellect, not their belief system because it is against the law to teach beliefs in the public educational system. Religion is only a very small part of a person's belief system.) Did Carl Sagan ever write of any extraordinary evidence that proved God? (I liked Carl, he was one of my astronomy heros".)</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=653&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="jgLKJOn-G4CX_XmhD2ixjxWoUasloeQ8s5pSvlti3ss"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/651#comment-651" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This nonsense has as much to</a> by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-654" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265575500"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 07 Feb 2010 - 21:45</span> <a href="/comment/654#comment-654" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/654#comment-654" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Dear Anonymous, you know so</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Dear Anonymous, you know so much about me, it's scary. No, sorry, you are terribly wrong.</p><p>As it happens I used to believe all kinds of tosh. Gradually I realized that the many tosh merchants disagreed with one another in fundamental ways, and their systems could not be reconciled. So I stopped believing in it all, and I've never regretted doing so.</p><p>The idea that believing in something for no good reason makes you in some undefined way superior to those of us who insist on rationality is a familiar one, but no less depressing. You are the one with a narrow view, in my opinion.</p><p>There surely are many things beyond my experience or understanding but that does not explain why anyone should believe in some intangible supposition purely on the word of another doubtless fallible human being. It is preposterous. Especially because, as I said earlier, the believers disagree amongst themselves. A pox on all your houses!</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=654&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="_I2yT_lEoNsiOSF8IeA50BfaZ8Axrd0rwJII5rxZJSs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/653#comment-653" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Neither the &quot;works&quot; of</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-659" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265657149"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 08 Feb 2010 - 20:25</span> <a href="/comment/659#comment-659" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/659#comment-659" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Dear Mr. Armstrong, I am</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Dear Mr. Armstrong, I am happy that I am wrong! We are nearing agreement. In your last posting, if you include all religions in your definition of tosh, then I will agree with that posting 100%. (Except for your definition of me.) But please, don't pox my house because that would make you a believer in voodoo and cause me to lose faith in your rationality. p.s. When the person in one of the postings above told the other person about why the other person wasn't attracting hot babes because of his waist line, he was alluding to the cause being that what the other person's belief system was projecting was opposite to what the other person was wanting. (I doubt that I've written this in an understandable way. I hope you get my meaning.)</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=659&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="fLOs8r8c7o96ZuhquSRus4oLs8uB_ZwgYNHCY-LwM_E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/654#comment-654" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Dear Anonymous, you know so</a> by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-661" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265736496"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 09 Feb 2010 - 18:28</span> <a href="/comment/661#comment-661" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/661#comment-661" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I doubt we&#039;ll ever be in</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I doubt we'll ever be in agreement, if you can countenance that Young might have been anything other than a huckster.</p><p>I'm not sure exactly what brand of tosh you favour (The dreaded "Law" of Attraction, perhaps?), but it doesn't have to go by the name of religion to be considered dreary and preposterous. Humanity believed in and practised magic for thousands of years with bugger all to show for it; science came along relatively recently and here we are, actually communicating at a distance instead of pretending to do so.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=661&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="vnL0dDWig_CmELiF6C8gUFNUdjosgNpLesLCVLooAms"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/659#comment-659" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Dear Mr. Armstrong, I am</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div></div></div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-682" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266927167"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bob prince (not verified)</span> on 23 Feb 2010 - 13:12</span> <a href="/comment/682#comment-682" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/682#comment-682" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">am bob prince i have this</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">am bob prince i have this book any body that need it should contact me am from nigeria</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=682&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="RjUGjge6-A7dLlo9lN1EGyUSk8AOV6WQsyETN3HxnyY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-684" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1266935128"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 23 Feb 2010 - 15:25</span> <a href="/comment/684#comment-684" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/684#comment-684" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Bob, anyone who manages to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Bob, anyone who manages to contact you on the basis of this comment is probably so psychic they don't really need the book.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=684&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="kIBXRmpqqRSTUIevh5WnsbvMn8SuuPvgk8GEoVX6bTA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/682#comment-682" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">am bob prince i have this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bob prince (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-940" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1283174645"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">nikita jaiswal (not verified)</span> on 30 Aug 2010 - 15:24</span> <a href="/comment/940#comment-940" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/940#comment-940" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">i need this book urgently. my</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">i need this book urgently. my contact no is +918149713817 i m from india, maharastra</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=940&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="R6He3GH7ZKVbUdiaxNnPRqNm2gS7tZzrp2sLdpc-_Uw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/682#comment-682" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">am bob prince i have this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bob prince (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-958" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1284425191"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Nicholas (not verified)</span> on 14 Sep 2010 - 02:46</span> <a href="/comment/958#comment-958" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/958#comment-958" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How can I get in touch with</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">How can I get in touch with you? I'm interested in finding this book, hope that this is genuine. 1 love.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=958&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="mGaLFKeRp96b-VvvrUmhFkTcehQcGn35l3ibF-PVkpY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/682#comment-682" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">am bob prince i have this</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bob prince (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-914" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1280891277"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">YUVRAJ AGARWAL (not verified)</span> on 04 Aug 2010 - 05:07</span> <a href="/comment/914#comment-914" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/914#comment-914" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">were can i get this book in</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">were can i get this book in india or us</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=914&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ath_BcFt32GlSV5bX3y3UXmlYUPxa_GhHD2bC1brpl0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-927" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1282367166"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jaysin (not verified)</span> on 21 Aug 2010 - 07:06</span> <a href="/comment/927#comment-927" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/927#comment-927" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">What needs to be understood</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">What needs to be understood before even flipping the front cover open is that what is discussed in this book it to be taken with all seriousness. I vivid warning is given in the beginning and if you cannot understand how serious this is and how much damage one can do to themselves just by mere thought then the effort should not be put into finding it. The mind creates noises in dark rooms, the mind blows simple situation out of proportion to the point that the body gets physically sick, and the mind has the power to kill the body without a second thought. If the mind can do all of this damage just think of what beneficial things you could accomplish with it, the people you could help, the individuals you could attract. This book is not meant to attract hot girls at a night club, if thats what you want to use it for, then you have been warned. This book is meant to find inner peace and strength that should be used to benefit yourself and others. Use it wisely. P.S. Only a fool with a death wish would get on national television and display "magic trick" as someone earlier called it. The most magnificent people in the world today are unknown for good reasons. We all can do everything Jesus Christ did and more but to display the powers that each and everyone of us has inside would be an instant death, I can promise you that.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=927&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="mQ40HOrX2ILI8gcrFUEO6L_GMvSuAk1KFO3ZeIgMUQY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-928" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1282401911"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 21 Aug 2010 - 16:45</span> <a href="/comment/928#comment-928" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/928#comment-928" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Actually, &quot;what needs to be</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Actually, "what needs to be understood" is that to convince others of your point of view it's wise to provide arguments based on evidence, rather than making a series of unfounded assertions. Otherwise you are liable to be taken for a charlatan.</p> <p>And if you don't agree I shall melt your socks, simply by thinking about it. What, you don't believe me? Why ever not? </p> <p>I GAINED SECRET ANCIENT POWER FROM WISDENS CRICKETERS' ALMANAC! AND LOST TEN STONE IN WEIGHT!! </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=928&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="fDRnl_j4B5IVwIi7xVciJAlACZwK76WgzKU3UYFcuVA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/927#comment-927" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">What needs to be understood</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jaysin (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-982" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285413822"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 25 Sep 2010 - 13:23</span> <a href="/comment/982#comment-982" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/982#comment-982" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred you&#039;re a dick head</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Alfred you're a dick head</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=982&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="-ubhOp2ITEFMXWYnOti1FdSGMSN3kqWUfNkVJL7uc-k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-984" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285414138"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 25 Sep 2010 - 13:28</span> <a href="/comment/984#comment-984" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/984#comment-984" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes, but aren&#039;t we all?</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Yes, but aren't we all?</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=984&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="zx-jnOXWYwBtx0Ao-CI0hVV4O63utFFsq6yhq9Dc0lk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/982#comment-982" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred you&#039;re a dick head</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1026" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1286710130"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">I have this book (not verified)</span> on 10 Oct 2010 - 13:28</span> <a href="/comment/1026#comment-1026" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1026#comment-1026" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi, I have all his books,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Hi, I have all his books, bought it in the 70s at kinokuniya at plaza singapore. get in touch with me. His Yoga book on body building works. I had the book at 15 and did most of the exercises in there</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1026&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="gyRAPEF45-tzufJXmSd5YdXtfBcNAvEDNVjebwhVou4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1060" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1288023827"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jayant (not verified)</span> on 25 Oct 2010 - 18:23</span> <a href="/comment/1060#comment-1060" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1060#comment-1060" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would be interested to buy</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I would be interested to buy / barter the books. if you have 100's of seminars and books on many subjects. Please let me know if you would be interested to sell the copy. if scanned will be even better. Please let me know. thanks Jayant</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1060&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="GbvTZIhsBNaz-CESXDqMuhG2DbH_oqkGoktlZ9jwDaE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1026#comment-1026" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi, I have all his books,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">I have this book (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1301" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302109706"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kiran Gadre (not verified)</span> on 06 Apr 2011 - 19:08</span> <a href="/comment/1301#comment-1301" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1301#comment-1301" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would like to have books by</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I would like to have books by Dr. Frank Young. Please let me know details.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1301&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="dycQJWOAJIo3WFGoqbGrSOy6DSjLHmsH9Khvq0Ha2nM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1026#comment-1026" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi, I have all his books,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">I have this book (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1079" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289366813"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2010 - 06:26</span> <a href="/comment/1079#comment-1079" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1079#comment-1079" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m VERY interested to get a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I'm VERY interested to get a copy of Cyclomancy. The least expensive copy I have found is $159.00 USD. I'm going to continue to look for a copy a little less pricey but if I can not find one in the next few weeks I will make that purchase. Has anyone who has read the book been able to develop any of the abilities that the aurthor speaks about?.....The NLP type of skill set is nice ;but I'm more curious about the ability to develop telekinetic abilities. Has anyone risen to this level? Can anyone share their experiences/accounts with the material in this book (x-ray vision, Remote Viewing, telekinetics) ...... personal or otherwise, would be greatly appreciated....Thank You</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1079&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="IrEstc9HFg1kfN4VXwCEM-ZNbGJ1OPaESpgKcLLUZug"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1080" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289381793"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 10 Nov 2010 - 10:36</span> <a href="/comment/1080#comment-1080" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1080#comment-1080" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Kerry, I am curious too.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Kerry, I am curious too. Curious as to why, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this book can impart any special powers (or indeed that it contains any useful information at all), people such as yourself are willing to shell out inflated sums for it.</p> <p>This book, and others published by Parker, such as Telecult Power and Ultra-Psychonics, scream "quack" from every page. Yet still people lap them up, apparently.</p> <p>What's the birthrate round where you live? About one a minute, is my guess.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1080&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="zb39DRq6NbxSdIjeslrUIJ8a4Y-5Fh7DeE44czyVIs8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1079#comment-1079" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m VERY interested to get a</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1081" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289427537"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2010 - 23:18</span> <a href="/comment/1081#comment-1081" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1081#comment-1081" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wow!!!!.......... I can not</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Wow!!!!.......... I can not believe how incredibly rude you are. I live in Cambridge MA. the EDUCATIONAL capital of the world for your information. Now I could sit here at my keyboard, and speak about my time at M.I.T. and shoot insults your way ;but why would I waste my time on a person such as yourself? So please... practice, what I'm sure your mother taught you, and that is, if you do not have anything POSITIVE to say dont say anything at all.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1081&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ysgMJiSInIkMuHoaiSospFUxa4qSK0hL0ETo5ry06sU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1082" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289429280"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 10 Nov 2010 - 23:48</span> <a href="/comment/1082#comment-1082" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1082#comment-1082" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Kerry, you come to a page on</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Kerry, you come to a page on which I have roundly mocked a preposterous work of non-literature, and you gush about it as if it were written on tablets handed down from on high ... and then you are surprised when I turn my attention to you?</p> <p>I don't care where you live or where you went to school, and the fact that you mention these things only makes you seem sillier. It's what you do with your education that counts, not where you happened to get it. Only the shallow think otherwise. Where did Albert Einstein go to school? Mahatma Gandhi? Elvis?</p> <p>As for rudeness, I'd like to say my late mother taught me everything I know, but she was a somewhat sweeter person than I. It's not a virtue to be rude, but it's not much of a sin, either. Some of the most vicious bastards have excellent manners.</p> <p>Never mind, when you do get a copy of Cyclomancy, you'll be able to exact your revenge on me with your almighty psychic powers. You and all the others I have irked over the years: I wonder why I am not plagued with boils already. Oh, that's right: it's because MAGIC DOESN'T WORK. Sorry.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1082&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="v9C-Anuw97ogVZ-zbbsoBBhgmimX6kSIcPzBPoThgXc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1081#comment-1081" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wow!!!!.......... I can not</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1083" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289484119"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dr. Notreallydoctor (not verified)</span> on 11 Nov 2010 - 15:01</span> <a href="/comment/1083#comment-1083" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1083#comment-1083" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hey Kerry, why not go for the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Hey Kerry, why not go for the French edition of Cyclomancy? Much much cheaper, and I can proudly say that it lends the text an air of sophistication.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1083&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ZmS_Ka6KnuyNDcyEGVL9qJrMW9eab74SA6NmW1tUvzE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1081#comment-1081" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wow!!!!.......... I can not</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2010" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1386951600"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Metz77 (not verified)</span> on 13 Dec 2013 - 17:20</span> <a href="/comment/2010#comment-2010" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/2010#comment-2010" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Funny thing about engineers..</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Funny thing about engineers... from what I&#039;ve seen, they tend to be about as easily suckered as the average person, but be much more confident about their conclusions because they think they&#039;re scientists.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2010&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="FbpMJdtTwfb9RU6C6DsOiQl0NUC2WzDw3PtuBo3juHY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1081#comment-1081" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wow!!!!.......... I can not</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-2011" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1386958262"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 13 Dec 2013 - 19:11</span> <a href="/comment/2011#comment-2011" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/2011#comment-2011" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes, I think you have</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Yes, I think you have something there. There's certainly evidence of that from my collection.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2011&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="6GedIq_WPYngR9io6fMWm6JceX7iBQw4W0YlkrVtS6Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/2010#comment-2010" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Funny thing about engineers..</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Metz77 (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-2012" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1386959088"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 13 Dec 2013 - 19:24</span> <a href="/comment/2012#comment-2012" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/2012#comment-2012" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">And here&#039;s one: http://www</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>And here's one: <a href="http://www.silee.me.uk/">http://www.silee.me.uk/</a></p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2012&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="M_f6zjW44iWRhGy6bOy2uGqAWG70A6VJ9Xf58twl_O8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/2010#comment-2010" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Funny thing about engineers..</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Metz77 (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1086" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289601844"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span> on 12 Nov 2010 - 23:44</span> <a href="/comment/1086#comment-1086" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1086#comment-1086" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, It is</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Alfred, It is painfully obvious that you are as moronic as you are rude. Why I have lowered myself to even dignify you with a responds is beyond me. you are truly a lower life form I have more respect for pond scum.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1086&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="NjrAbY-i0t3cuLbosuAUUe56sQ2HdMwR2tc-K1UauMs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1087" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289655656"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 13 Nov 2010 - 14:40</span> <a href="/comment/1087#comment-1087" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1087#comment-1087" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;Why I have lowered myself to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>"Why I have lowered myself to even dignify you with a responds is beyond me. "</p> <p>You're funny. Are you cute, too?</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1087&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="LQy-rp3s0zoMnTGH3ZK6-U7QsFq1Js8IvTBX9D-UnAk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1086#comment-1086" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, It is</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1102" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290335218"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 21 Nov 2010 - 11:26</span> <a href="/comment/1102#comment-1102" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1102#comment-1102" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred is fat.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Alfred is fat.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1102&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="DgilGpWtjpEM9DfOFI_k8p0U7aqPEIwmjcgF2z4sSn0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1103" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290338945"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 21 Nov 2010 - 12:29</span> <a href="/comment/1103#comment-1103" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1103#comment-1103" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How sweet of you to notice.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>How sweet of you to notice.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1103&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="SXvga3xRGlx_nE106vWepQSWad5rTtay27HPBomrHA8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1102#comment-1102" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred is fat.</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1105" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290401835"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 22 Nov 2010 - 05:57</span> <a href="/comment/1105#comment-1105" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1105#comment-1105" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yup.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Yup.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1105&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="eR0XK0f5-HY_3ulRHialE3uvETfZf3e2Cb6cZN8UP80"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1112" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290828829"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 27 Nov 2010 - 04:33</span> <a href="/comment/1112#comment-1112" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1112#comment-1112" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Having had a library of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Having had a library of occult books, and the ones from parker publishing also, this book cyclomancy and psychastra are definitly powerful.but can be dangerous.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1112&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="gl7nqOwMJkw1weeGKA1_dgP-QC5lDSYCP9A9Qi2gVz4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1139" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1292551380"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span> on 17 Dec 2010 - 03:03</span> <a href="/comment/1139#comment-1139" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1139#comment-1139" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How would you best describe</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">How would you best describe the power and danger of Cyclomancy?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1139&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="R0KnaKUnfk3rO_c0tb_fzfEHs7JiO2L8GS2EzOIe9Oo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1112#comment-1112" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Having had a library of</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1142" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1292675449"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 18 Dec 2010 - 13:30</span> <a href="/comment/1142#comment-1142" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1142#comment-1142" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Non-existent? You</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Non-existent? </p> <p>You practically wet your pants when someone makes these ridiculous assertions. You so want to believe this tosh, don't you? Never mind me, though, spoiling the fun as ever. </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1142&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="7rjNowGSb8RZFm0kXWBv1o6_a3YCyofrXzGREWRaXjQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1139#comment-1139" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How would you best describe</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1140" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1292619297"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span> on 17 Dec 2010 - 21:54</span> <a href="/comment/1140#comment-1140" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1140#comment-1140" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wow that is interesting, how</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Wow that is interesting, how is Cyclomancy powerful and how is it potentially dangerous</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1140&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="1d5xwMMRotlGod6ggrI8OMsrpZeu6JuGusfOgHecauY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1149" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293103460"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 23 Dec 2010 - 12:24</span> <a href="/comment/1149#comment-1149" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1149#comment-1149" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Occult teqniques are the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Occult teqniques are the medium through which Power flows. Teqniques do not themselves contain power. The service these books provide is to introduce those with the power to channels of use.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1149&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Yfhi1JW9dQ8Op2v78xKp81dFbIWATeUzWK0v64pKjiw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1150" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293104080"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 23 Dec 2010 - 12:34</span> <a href="/comment/1150#comment-1150" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1150#comment-1150" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Tell you what, if you have</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Tell you what, if you have this so-called power, use it to induce me to stop saying your beliefs are utter bollocks.</p> <p>Shouldn't be too hard. Cause me to post another comment in this thread in which I agree with you. Amaze us.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1150&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="eThzlKBfN6rKWlaGRNkyk2LErU7tpVPxorPB5K38G8U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1149#comment-1149" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Occult teqniques are the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1167" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293700406"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dr. Ed Viktor (not verified)</span> on 30 Dec 2010 - 10:13</span> <a href="/comment/1167#comment-1167" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1167#comment-1167" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The book relays on positive</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">The book relays on positive thinking and body langauge. When you start to read into it the thoughts he wants you to produce will change your outward self and produce a similar effect. This is a pointless book and you may aswell just be yourself when meeting people try honesty and positivity.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1167&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="9x6PYc58iO2A_zhJ4Q0W-6ysOCY7sq6kz426sBQx5AY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1168" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293700605"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 30 Dec 2010 - 10:16</span> <a href="/comment/1168#comment-1168" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1168#comment-1168" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes, indeed. Except you</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Yes, indeed. </p> <p>Except you can't acquire x-ray vision simply through honesty, can you? For that you need to use the terrible power of Belief in Bullshit. </p> <p>Thanks for the comment, Ed. It's nice to hear a sane voice in these parts.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1168&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="A1aQVWdYqnxNLOwA47mZkyRF8uNZhNkwT7nPMGu0Jbo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1167#comment-1167" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The book relays on positive</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dr. Ed Viktor (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1171" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293767687"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Turk (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2010 - 04:54</span> <a href="/comment/1171#comment-1171" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1171#comment-1171" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I remember finding this book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I remember finding this book at a yard sale in Nebraska in the 1970s when I was a kid. I studied it and read it over and over again with only a spark of true belief motivating me through all of my childish incredulity. Imagine my astonishment when, one unremarkable day, it actually began to work. By that time I was in highschool and full of hormones. Youthful urges and extraordinary power were not a healthy mix. I began to grasp for more and more, finding other books of power, using it to dominate others. By the time I was 16 I had become mad with power. by then I had taken dominion over an entire nation. I can still smell the smoke from the offerings my people gave me. I demanded sacrifices, first animals then humans until one fifth of all the children in the land had been cut into pieces on the altars below my throne and who's blood had spilled down my great stepped pyramid. During that time I impregnated millions of women, devoured food worth the sustenance of whole cities for years, enslaved the free and crushed the proud beneath my jeweled sandals. It was on a trip into space, where I beheld the mysteries of the great storm of Jupiter for my 18th birthday that it came to me that I just wanted to be a normal human, triumphing at life without cheating with magic tricks discovered by someone else that I decided to give it all up. I went back to Nebraska and my old life. I hope this is a good enough warning to anyone who takes this book lightly.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1171&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="pL6iIzweS-6QZ2J2CINDYcoy5lkuRUoGNBK3oxU5QGY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1346" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1306149110"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 23 May 2011 - 13:11</span> <a href="/comment/1346#comment-1346" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1346#comment-1346" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">That was great. We need more</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">That was great. We need more people like you around here.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1346&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="CcprmY52b_q5gOfu8hxnVYFkHH4TuBDVDTb2uowi_cs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1171#comment-1171" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I remember finding this book</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Turk (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1182" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294108833"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 04 Jan 2011 - 03:40</span> <a href="/comment/1182#comment-1182" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1182#comment-1182" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Tengri. Thank you for your</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Tengri. Thank you for your amazing insights. So very true. The entire billion dollar nlp, seduction and to a large extent the modern radionics revival is being powered by the old, mostly out of print but still available Parker Publishing Company books. The books of Frank R. Young, "The Einstein of The Occult", are among the most powerful of any of them. Amazing about how one of the female authors was the source of "Remote Viewing" (clairvoyance and out of body projection). The Russians wrote a technical manual 500 pages long on the Astral Body. It was named "The Bio Plasmic Body" I believe and deeply scientific because when it was written mysticism was a capital offense. These things are very real and the ignorance the average person has as regards it is orchestrated for obvious reasons. Fear of loss of power and control. The Russians even weighed the astral body (bio-plasmic body) after F.R.Y. and his family did. It's precisely 3/4s of an ounce. Fact not faith. So as anyone who can point and click can discover FOR THEMSELVES, Governments have always made aggressive use of psychic and magic powers while dumbing down the general population with the circus (sports, TV and Hollywood). Don't settle for arguments and flame wars when you can do your own research and don't try to convince the profane. THIS KNOWLEDGE ISN'T FOR EVERYONE, IT DEFENDS ITSELF AND IT IS DANGEROUS IF USED RECKLESSLY. So very true that a Little Goes a Long Way. I speak from personal experience and will not answer your emails so don't bother. The original "007" was a magician and spy for the Queen of England in the 16th and 17th centuries. His name was John Dee. True story. So you see it doesn't matter what the unfaithful say and why trouble yourself about that? Show some self control and let the unfaithful be as they are after all we're speaking of mental disciplines and yoga. Frank Rudolph Young was one of the most interesting and mysterious men of the 20th Century. A real Jedi Master if ever there was one. F.R.Y. had an interesting alias as a young handsome anatomical model. "Mike Marvel" became famous to a generation of fans of isometric body building. On this website you can see a picture of him as a young man and as a senior in his 70s: hikuta.net The only interview that exists is in a book by famous author, Brad Steiger. The book is called Psychic Chicago and it contains another photograph of the man of mystery man: http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/0385013620/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&amp;index=0 Yeah, I know. Don't you ladies all swoon at once. lol Here is a list of glowing testimonies for the most popular of the 11 or 13 books written by Frank R. Young that are translated and sold around the world: http://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Men-Only-Frank-Young/product-reviews/B001CUO63E/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&amp;showViewpoints=1 Last but not least, here is a post by John Peterson who is a world famous author and trainer of "physical culture". John and his students are uninterested in the occult powers of FRY for the most part (actually some are interested however that isn't their focus in the following post.). You see Frank walked the talk and looked like a million bucks til the day he died. So I repeat. Don't defend Frank Rudolph Young. His immortality speaks for itself. God bless. "Hey Friends, Yesterday a man e-mailed this question to me about Chiropractor Frank Rudolph Young's books wondering if he included Push-Ups in his training routines. The Answer is a very affirmative Y-E-S, yet not in the way you may think. Here's the deal. Frank Rudolph Young was brilliant. He compiled many exercises and concepts from Yoga (Maxick), Charles Atlas, Alois P Swoboda, and of course his own personal study. He was an expert in the field of muscular anatomy and applied physiology and as such created some fascinating exercise variations (that were based in what we call DVR/VRT &amp; Isometrics though he never called them by those names) that placed the muscles in unique positions ( that he referred to as their "best angle of Pull") that allowed one to obtain incredibly intense muscular contractions that could not be achieved in any other way. He strongly denounced weight training as a method of exercise believing that it destroyed the skeletal structure at the expense of superficially building it's muscles for a very limited time. By this Young was referring to the same thing that I often refer to as "Busted Up Weight Lifter Syndrome". ( For our new participants to our forum "Busted Up Weight Lifter Syndrome" is where a man lifts heavier and heavier weights over a period of years to achieve more intense muscular contractions not realizing that he is destroying and compressing his spinal discs while over taxing his joints, ligaments, and tendons. In time this type of training results in permanent injury for the vast majority of men and as a consequence the man can no longer train. One often sees this kind of man at social gatherings bragging about how much he used to be able to "bench". Such men are often so busted up and in so much pain that they can no longer train at all. To compensate they live in the past and brag about what they could once do.) Now back to Frank Rudolph Young. Yes, he taught certain Push-Up variations that I have seen no where else. Some were similar to Atlas style push-Ups in that they created an extended range of motion but the angles were different and they had to be performed exactly as described in order to perform them correctly. Many of his variations were very complex and worded in such a way that they were very difficult to understand. His two books with greatest number of Push-Up variations were 1) Yoga Secrets for Extraordinary Health and Long Life and 2) Somo-Psychic Power. Young also wrote many other books on Extra Sensory Perception (ESP) and Psychic (mind) development. In fact, during the 1980's when I became a certified NLP practitioner I was at a seminar during which the group facilitator was making outrageous claims about NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) being an entirely new development in the field of neurological science. During a break I kindly told him that before he continues making those assertions in future seminars he should read Frank Rudolph Young's books because he would discover that Young taught many of the exact same concepts under different terminologies. Needless to say, he was amazed when I told him this. Bottom line: I believe Frank Rudolph Young was a genius. And in many ways way ahead of his time. . ---John Peterson" THIS KNOWLEDGE ISN'T FOR EVERYONE, IT DEFENDS ITSELF AND IT IS DANGEROUS IF USED RECKLESSLY. So very true that a Little Goes a Long Way. I speak from personal experience and will not answer your emails so don't bother.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1182&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="-rmbBbJQ14CbwhgODBBSPtTvorF8tz44lWjq1kU6Fyg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1184" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294133825"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 Jan 2011 - 10:37</span> <a href="/comment/1184#comment-1184" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1184#comment-1184" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The original &quot;007&quot; was a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><blockquote> <p>The original "007" was a magician and spy for the Queen of England in the 16th and 17th centuries. His name was John Dee. True story.</p> </blockquote> <p>The fact that you include this snippet of non-information in your ramblings says it all really. You seem to have the same disease of the mind as Young, one which says that piling on a load of a unsupported and often unrelated assertions amounts to an argument. </p> <p>Young may well have been an amazing physical specimen, he may even have known a lot about Yoga, but that doesn't mean he could move objects with his mind or that he was in any other way "psychic".</p> <p>There's been a lot of wild nonsense talked about Young and this book, but so what? A carney barker announces there's a two-headed woman inside the tent. According to you, the rest of us should believe in this wonder, just because you say so. As for it being dangerous, I am prepared to risk that: prove it.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1184&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="BNxPklwrB7jnwg-4MXrZ6PUNcBnEngXa5gvdjBp-Jdw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1182#comment-1182" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Tengri. Thank you for your</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1188" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294152090"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 Jan 2011 - 15:41</span> <a href="/comment/1188#comment-1188" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1188#comment-1188" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Oh yeah, and &quot;famous author&quot;</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Oh yeah, and "famous author" Brad Steiger thinks that lens flare is an aura. Go here http://www.bradandsherry.com/ and scroll down to the pictures below the title "The Divine Fire". What a prune.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1188&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="VNS4ynZVdRSD49pKegT6ALhvcb_l42Hu37AdyIJaX3E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1182#comment-1182" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Tengri. Thank you for your</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1183" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294127351"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 04 Jan 2011 - 08:49</span> <a href="/comment/1183#comment-1183" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1183#comment-1183" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Here&#039;s the correct link for</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Here's the correct link for the young "Mike Marvel" photo and the senior Frank R. Young photo. The super endurance feats this advertiser describes are done with some very simple and valuable exercises contained in Cyclomancy. http://www.hikuta.net/classical-conditioning/ChiFitness.cfm</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1183&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="6qGej1GHKdrtoA-J1bj_3BfQZmYdWcTB-19eAl2cPZQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1185" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294137330"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 Jan 2011 - 11:35</span> <a href="/comment/1185#comment-1185" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1185#comment-1185" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Exercises, presumably</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Exercises, presumably including the instruction to "take deep breaths to saturate yourself with electrons". Taking deep breaths might well be useful, but the addition of the nonsensical reference to electrons is there purely to make it sound more scientific. In other words, it's hokum.</p> <p>And that link? Astonishingly, it's to another page in the same vein of overwrought bullshit. What a buffoon you are.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1185&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="t9GtwNNE0-48sP1jbOvqFAH5X8-JZbfDEYu89865HOs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1183#comment-1183" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Here&#039;s the correct link for</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1186" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294142268"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">joblesse oblige (not verified)</span> on 04 Jan 2011 - 12:57</span> <a href="/comment/1186#comment-1186" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1186#comment-1186" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m inclined to wonder if all</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I'm inclined to wonder if all these commentators trying to 'big-up' the Parker Publishing titles are book dealers - anxious to keep the demand up.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1186&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Kx280Ruag1d9nIj7FWrVlL3k94uycML0pxjL3bK1BS0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1187" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294142460"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 Jan 2011 - 13:01</span> <a href="/comment/1187#comment-1187" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1187#comment-1187" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Good point. As I also have</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Good point. As I also have copies, I should be doing likewise, I suppose.</p> <p>Roll up, roll up, get your dose of POWERFUL DANGEROUS BULLSHIT MAGIC HERE!</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1187&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="1iqbauaF7nWgPL_FXBf6dh1sk6rnbsmfifplOYB4xpQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1186#comment-1186" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m inclined to wonder if all</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">joblesse oblige (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1192" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294693622"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Binky (not verified)</span> on 10 Jan 2011 - 22:07</span> <a href="/comment/1192#comment-1192" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1192#comment-1192" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred my good man, seeing as</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Alfred my good man, seeing as you have copies of these works would you like to sell me them? This amusing turn of conversation has piqued my curiosity as to what could have got two strangers so worked up on the internet. 61842@binkmail.com</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1192&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="hFvu_5dZfC-nvZPdAYbC9D8pqbi9ft8q07Ge4CHf-4w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1237" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1297912933"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Carlos L Irizarry (not verified)</span> on 17 Feb 2011 - 04:22</span> <a href="/comment/1237#comment-1237" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1237#comment-1237" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I started reading his other</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I started reading his other moronic book. "The Laws of Mental Domination", and couldn't justify another wasted minute. My impression is if your self esteem is incredibly low, reading the pure fantastic bull in the book, AND wanting desperately to believe in it, will give you the temporary benefit of improving your self esteem. If this is sustained for some time, the net result will be an improvement in self worth (judged only by you) that will benefit you. But thinking you somehow got superhuman mental powers, will show little evidence at the end of the day. At that time you will collapse in despair, or (I hope so) realize that your gains were not product of Young brain washing, but the result of daring and learning to be more assertive. It is this latter one that you had in you all the time and Young books were only the crutch that helped you dare to try. There is no magic or trick that will develop your mind into a tool of domination. This is achieved by power, money or personality. Politics and how you treat people, how you socialize and relate to them is far more helpful that imagining a person is a slave in your mind, and that by projecting your desires for a few seconds will make them do your bidding. These paragraphs will do you more good than all of Young books together... and its free!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1237&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="beOoI05qWVUZgk3AdSzN3lfVJSiu7No4E-YKCkK01gI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1238" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1297913187"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Carlos L Irizarry (not verified)</span> on 17 Feb 2011 - 04:26</span> <a href="/comment/1238#comment-1238" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1238#comment-1238" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Oh by the way... I&#039;ll sell</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Oh by the way... I'll sell anyone the book "The Laws of Mental Domination" for $10 cash or Paypal + $5.00 S&amp;H via USPS. <b>I COMMAND YOU TO GET THE BOOK! </b>LOL</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1238&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="W7wjFizwCPIagD8yKyOXnSP3kc-Iwzaffw3Cdn8TbQc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1240" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1297934859"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 17 Feb 2011 - 10:27</span> <a href="/comment/1240#comment-1240" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1240#comment-1240" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Finally, some sense. Thanks</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Finally, some sense. Thanks for your comments, Carlos. </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1240&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="4HOx4u01d2VFenu8okt2wATiUbviJAhDQl5FWvg0pmM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1238#comment-1238" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Oh by the way... I&#039;ll sell</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Carlos L Irizarry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1255" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1299020232"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 01 Mar 2011 - 23:57</span> <a href="/comment/1255#comment-1255" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1255#comment-1255" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I once bought the &quot;Mike</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I once bought the "Mike Marvel" course (FRY's Isometrics) when I was a kid and to be honest, it didn't do a single thing for my muscles. Weightlifting, however, grew them substantially. Isn't it almost confounding that there would be a sound scientific explanation (hypertrophy through increased protein synthesis, due to adaptive mechanisms, responding to over exertion of nerves and micro-damage to muscle tissue) for what actually worked, and a load of hysterically inaccurate assertions (Listen, Chum! I know a super secret exercise...) suporting what didn't? As far as "remote viewing" and all that military stuff between the Russians and the US goes, read "The Men Who Stare At Goats." The people in charge of that stuff were shell shocked psychedelic drug users, and the budget was laughably small. Most of the real work was "PR image brainstorming" aimed at making the US army seem more apealing to Hippies who ascribed credibility to New Age doctrines. The people involved may have thought otherwise, but one notable comment on the program by senior military officials referred to it as "utter non-sense" and the purpose of the unit was constantly called into question. Seriously, folks. I wasted $5.00 plus s/h as a 12 year old on silly exercises, are you seriously thinking of wasting substantial money to learn how to cast spells with your "hot rods" as an adult? Sheesh!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1255&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="A3OxHBChCYBIh4ywKsyO-IMFkJ6NtH6HJU7axgfOG7o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1256" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1299075518"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Homepizza13 (not verified)</span> on 02 Mar 2011 - 15:18</span> <a href="/comment/1256#comment-1256" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1256#comment-1256" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I wanna buy this book but no</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I wanna buy this book but no luck finding it can someone help me?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1256&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="oMUGjT4PGOm0eESXHyLDHOCOTUSdlyQjJASFfNSTt0k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1262" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1299549520"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ThankYouMaskedMan (not verified)</span> on 08 Mar 2011 - 02:58</span> <a href="/comment/1262#comment-1262" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1262#comment-1262" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I want to thank all of the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I want to thank all of the posters above, on all sides of the argument. I have found your discussion entertaining. I really enjoy living in a world where people are willing share their thoughts on topics that they accept on faith as true: Whether that be quantum physics or psychic horns. This world and this conversation is stimulating and fun. Thanks again.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1262&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="CeMxrNMi-JEzNpKi8-ZL0bxA5GBJiOHNGegQbbCc88Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1296" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301684744"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joseph A (not verified)</span> on 01 Apr 2011 - 21:05</span> <a href="/comment/1296#comment-1296" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1296#comment-1296" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">GOLD FARMS MINING COMPANY LTD</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">GOLD FARMS MINING COMPANY LTD AU GOLD FOR SALE. We are looking for dealers/buyers of Alluvial Gold dust product who can buy in large quantity or that can be our agent. Any interested dealer/buyer should contact us for negotiation and arrangement for the sale. Our prices are as modest as can be found any where in the world and better because we are direct local miners from the Village. We are capable of producing 150KG-250KG every month and will likely increase the quantity if there is need. Following quantities/qualities are; Quantity: Minimum of 150KG-250KG per month. 1. Product: AU metal (Gold Dust/Bullion) . 2. Origin: Ghana, West Africa. 3. Purity: 92.88% or better 4. Price: US$28,000.00 PER KILO {Negotiable} Payment: FOB GHANA 5. Availability: 200 Kilos currently available. Best regards, Mr. Joseph Asare GOLD FARMS MINING COMPANY LTD (+233-5496-87760) P.O.BOX GHP 33, ACCRA,GHANA (goldndiamondfarms@yahoo.com)</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1296&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="GV2ThcgVCp1v5-AHetp8TOB_ucvQaR5O7vtGscHqCu4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1297" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301688301"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 01 Apr 2011 - 22:05</span> <a href="/comment/1297#comment-1297" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1297#comment-1297" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Thanks to the Psychic Powers</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Thanks to the Psychic Powers endowed in me by Cyclomancy, I have large piles of gold lying about the house here. Send cash and it's all yours.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1297&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="i6O5gTECe79rjg4VffbljKyy1fwB4O09K7GYtxFJAYQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1296#comment-1296" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">GOLD FARMS MINING COMPANY LTD</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joseph A (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1304" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302298210"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 08 Apr 2011 - 23:30</span> <a href="/comment/1304#comment-1304" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1304#comment-1304" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would be staying way clear</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I would be staying way clear of this book if you don't want to get into dangerous territory - sounds like Satan's demon's territory to me and he only wants to kill you steal from you and rob you !!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1304&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Sal2mjzaDlNQcLnxjrS_d6inGU7TkFfDoXG5Gtl5AaQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1324" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1304085743"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joseph Asare (not verified)</span> on 29 Apr 2011 - 16:02</span> <a href="/comment/1324#comment-1324" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1324#comment-1324" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">AU GOLD FOR SALE. We are</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">AU GOLD FOR SALE. We are looking for dealers/buyers of Alluvial Gold dust product who can buy in large quantity or that can be our agent. Any interested dealer/buyer should contact us for negotiation and arrangement for the sale. Our prices are as modest as can be found any where in the world and better because we are direct local miners from the Village. We are capable of producing 150KG-250KG every month and will likely increase the quantity if there is need. Following quantities/qualities are; Quantity: Minimum of 150KG-250KG per month. 1. Product: AU metal (Gold Dust/Bullion) . 2. Origin: Ghana, West Africa. 3. Purity: 99.88% or better 4. Price: US$38,000.00 PER KILO {Negotiable} 5.Payment: FOB GHANA 6. Availability: 200 Kilos currently available. Best regards, Mr. Joseph Asare GOLD FARMS MINING COMPANY LTD (+233-5496-87760) (goldndiamondfarms@yahoo.com)</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1324&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="qY0OjaSZ8W4FAPInwJf3Tw0iDkXRnl5NJnLPeKm92O4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1325" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1304086185"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 29 Apr 2011 - 16:09</span> <a href="/comment/1325#comment-1325" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1325#comment-1325" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Idiot.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Idiot.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1325&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="w4cuTrlmpQGKRc7rWJJB3rFcZFY-GgB4kzhP7D77XJs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1324#comment-1324" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">AU GOLD FOR SALE. We are</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joseph Asare (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1340" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1304972183"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jon1 (not verified)</span> on 09 May 2011 - 22:16</span> <a href="/comment/1340#comment-1340" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1340#comment-1340" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Heavy 60s language (purple</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Heavy 60s language (purple prose) but lots of useful info. Expensive copies on Amazon.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1340&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="OP1BHYnLg59_EXHG7alsiPVBQQ8p15eR2F_YTQhsMA0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1341" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1304976000"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 09 May 2011 - 23:20</span> <a href="/comment/1341#comment-1341" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1341#comment-1341" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Useful info? If you like</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Useful info? If you like pretentious forms of mental training, why not buy a book on NLP instead? Cheaper, and just as good. The gobbledygook won't be quite as overblown, but you can still get your fix of variably worthwhile advice dressed up with pseudoscientific drivel.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1341&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="f3rVuWlMbg_DBLa3QGmSxrfADSpNtrh_TYaz0dTo1cc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1340#comment-1340" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Heavy 60s language (purple</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jon1 (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1345" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1306148819"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 23 May 2011 - 13:06</span> <a href="/comment/1345#comment-1345" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1345#comment-1345" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Again, why is everyone who</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Again, why is everyone who comes to this site clinically retarded?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1345&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="n0_R5cPQNm8wi74Alx16w-OI-f5NF1wb8YVc1FEBSLU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1418" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1309913927"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 06 Jul 2011 - 02:58</span> <a href="/comment/1418#comment-1418" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1418#comment-1418" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, Normally I wouldn&#039;t</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Alfred, Normally I wouldn't bother to comment on world viewpoints that are as obviously asinine as yours typically are, but for some reason I felt compelled to do so this time. If you think that there are no people out in the world with advanced psychic powers you are delusional - and at best unrealistic. There are several things that stand out: You are woefully ignorant of physics beyond the Newtonian model. Prominent physicists from MIT, Stanford and Oxford (as well as other "prominent" institutions of higher knowledge) have soundly declared that what they have learned in the last 10 about Quantum physics has virtually debunked Einstien's E=MC2 theory of light and relativity. I'm not one to call people out, but you may seem intelligent to the "pitchfork and torch" level-of-knowledge-about-advanced-physics folks that typically post on this board, but to anyone who has any true depth of knowledge about the subject knows that the power of psychokinesis defies the limits that were previously believed about space, time and matter. You have demonstrated that you have obviously: - Not read the book in full with comparative exposure to advanced quantum mechanics - Know next to nothing about current quantum physics studies - Are fairly (very) close-minded You appear to not have the capacity to understand anything you are not approved to think as dictated by public education standards. However, you do possess the ability to sound rational and intelligent to people who do not know any better. I would think that someone as "intelligent" as you obviously like to believe that you are, would have enough intellectual curiosity to have run into (and actually read) at least one white paper from at least one credible modern physicist that substantiates Mr. Young's information. In other words, you are a blowhard (and I do mean hard) who thinks that he knows more than he actually does - and patently refuses to attempt to find out more. That is the definition of an "arrogant fool". For those of you who choose to actually READ Mr. Young's book before dismissing it, don't be dissuaded by the ignorant blowhards on this board. Its for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. P.S. People thought Copernicus was a kook too. Look how that turned out.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1418&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ZpEhTjQHKIN0uI5xfdjdGkq0k7jrWZDzuD4-ud-WyWM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1419" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1309941007"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 06 Jul 2011 - 10:30</span> <a href="/comment/1419#comment-1419" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1419#comment-1419" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I would think that someone as</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><blockquote> <p>I would think that someone as "intelligent" as you obviously like to believe that you are, would have enough intellectual curiosity to have run into (and actually read) at least one white paper from at least one credible modern physicist that substantiates Mr. Young's information.</p> </blockquote> <p>Go on, then, name one. Bet you can't. Simply claiming that quantum physics, which I actually have read quite a lot about - though I wouldn't dare say I am anything other than an interested layman - supports Young, isn't any sort of argument. Evidence, that's what we want. There certainly isn't any in the book. Painting me as a reactionary trying to hold back the advanced forces of science led by yourself and Young is a particularly idiotic notion.</p> <p>You don't appear to know the difference between bluster and argument, so I am not expecting much.</p> <p>If Young is the Copernicus of a new science, I am Vincent Van Gogh.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1419&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="LWi4-zdp3NLJp2X0oPrk-YrAj3jgKbhNcOH-orBReB4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1418#comment-1418" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, Normally I wouldn&#039;t</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1420" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1309993821"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 07 Jul 2011 - 01:10</span> <a href="/comment/1420#comment-1420" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1420#comment-1420" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;Simply claiming that quantum</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">"Simply claiming that quantum physics, which I actually have read quite a lot about - though I wouldn't dare say I am anything other than an interested layman - supports Young, isn't any sort of argument. Evidence, that's what we want." Which is the exact ad-hominem passive-aggressive, lazy, non-response copout answer I expected from someone (you Alfred) who knows virtually nothing (your "interested layman") about the subject, but who is handy at acidic ("you can't prove God exists"), yet intellectually vacant responses. Who "believes it" Alfred? You want "examples"? Lookup William Tiller - Stanford PhD - Prof Emeritus Lookup John Hagelin - PhD - Dartmouth Und. - MIT/Harvard Masters/PhD Lookup Fred Alan Wolf - PhD UCLA - Nat'l Book award - Univ London, Univ Paris etc Lookup Nick Herbert PhD - Stanford Can go on and on. So let me pre-empt any more continued ignorance - I mean "skepticism" on your part: If you want to make "arguments" as if no one of "substance" and "science" believes in the powers of the mind to alter matter and reality you'd be well served to do some cursory research before spouting off to denigrate something and winding up looking like an even more ignorant jackass. Not everyone that passes through the net (particularly YOUR site) is a malleable, uninformed, lemming/idiot/goofball that can be browbeaten into a compliant view Alfred. Why not expand that brain, of which you're so in love with demonstrating the prowess, and attempt to understand something that you have mistakenly dismissed as foolish? As the bible says (1 Corinthians 1:27): "God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise". You're being very wise at this point Alfred. BTW - Go Copernicus! (PS. Alfred - Van Gogh's artwork never made any money until after he was dead. We also see how THAT turned out; don't we?)</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1420&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="B1Im8RMkgRmNsvqIuQcN9J_HrSVVXEIZ06Kqpp1Rauw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1423" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310015820"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">whatthebleephead (not verified)</span> on 07 Jul 2011 - 07:17</span> <a href="/comment/1423#comment-1423" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1423#comment-1423" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">asking for evidence is an</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">asking for evidence is an ad-hominem? I can only guess that you were holding back the "evidecne" (your not the only one who can use scare quotes) and waiting for someone to ask for it so you can call them passive aggressive and lazy. You write a lot and say very little, you still didn't provide the evidence that these celebrities claim to have found that proves the possibility of mind over matter. Who is disputing E=mc2 though and who thought copernicus a kook? that was your most specious claim</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1423&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="PqbH5S1COpRrn-AfOmZ3PQu9qEMVgHGBFVcvo2VpddE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1420#comment-1420" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;Simply claiming that quantum</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1424" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310028720"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 07 Jul 2011 - 10:52</span> <a href="/comment/1424#comment-1424" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1424#comment-1424" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Some scientists believe in</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Some scientists believe in God while others are atheists, so the formula that Professor X says Y is worthless.</p> <p> </p> <p>As the delightfully-named whatthebleephead says, dropping a lot of names without citing specific papers or other publications does not move the argument on. If you know what these no doubt fine chaps said, then don't hold back: show us.</p> <p>But we'll want to see specific evidence in support of what Young actually says, since even if these people do believe in mind over matter in some sense, that doesn't lead to the conclusion that Young's book has any substance either. Young makes many extraordinary claims, the bulk of which would need to be supported if he isn't to be seen as an exaggerator at best.</p> <p>By the way, you are a dickhead. (I just wanted to make an ad hominem attack so you know what it is for next time.)</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1424&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="HuzmKcqvGbbB6Zvjwfkvp8bgwBjpmYdABtF1EEMsO90"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1423#comment-1423" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">asking for evidence is an</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">whatthebleephead (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1625" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1326230454"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 10 Jan 2012 - 22:20</span> <a href="/comment/1625#comment-1625" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1625#comment-1625" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You my friend, are a genius!</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You my friend, are a genius!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1625&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="nSF7IIQT614CrFvBzozX9xibix65Y7FS4zYchKxngDA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1420#comment-1420" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;Simply claiming that quantum</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1421" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310006009"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.atlanticspineandjoint.com/index.html" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phil YH (not verified)</a> on 07 Jul 2011 - 04:33</span> <a href="/comment/1421#comment-1421" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1421#comment-1421" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have to say that the book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I have to say that the book is really inviting. Yet again, it seems to cause something I might able to handle well. I will have to pass on this one. Thanks anyway!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1421&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="hDzpJjWt9D-Dd8EknyaAzn_YB0c3p2_54RUEhoYrTOs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1422" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310008148"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 07 Jul 2011 - 05:09</span> <a href="/comment/1422#comment-1422" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1422#comment-1422" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes, &quot;Phil YH&quot; &quot;Yet again,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Yes, "Phil YH" "Yet again, it seems to cause something I might able to handle well. I will have to pass on this one." I'll assume English is your seventh language, because if you proffer that you can ""handle (it) well" yet "will have to pass", either: 1. You failed the "English Comprehension and Expression" course you took at the local junior college. or 2. You are just another lemming/jackass who is too dumb/lazy/intellectually stunted to take time to research viable contrasting research by credible researchers and fall back to kissing Alfred's butt (which is saddest of all) to get your "approval pellet".</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1422&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="kIsDwY73L9U4izMpHR6l6aAcrWcvGI2E8w5cjJ6lB-k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1425" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310036343"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rob (not verified)</span> on 07 Jul 2011 - 12:59</span> <a href="/comment/1425#comment-1425" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1425#comment-1425" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Dear Anonymous, you seem to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Dear Anonymous, you seem to be a real genius and should consider a career at a university. You've taught me things about quantum physics that I'd never heard of – and I am a physicist, though, admittedly, not a very quantum one. As to your list of names of people claiming nonsense: William Tiller: Retired („emeritus“) professor of Materials Science and Engineering, makes money with the selling of books and DVDs where he claims that there are strange forces the existence of which he has failed to prove for the last 30 years. John Hagelin: Indeed a real physicist who has done some real and actually quite good work in physics but has some rather wierd beliefs which he has tried to prove with not very good methods. For instance he once put a few thousand meditating people in Washington, D.C. for a few weeks and claimed afterwards that that had lowered the rate of „violent“ crime by 18% - compared to what it (according to him) would have been without them. His calculations of the level of crime without Hippies lost in time included factors like the magnetic field of the earth... Sounds really convincing. In reality the frequency of some types of crime went down and that of others went up, without anything exceeding normal fluctuations. Apart from where the thousands of weirdos met, of course. No one would dare to mug someone in front of such a crowd. Fred Alan Wolf: Real physicist with some borderline ideas and some that are clearly beyond any border (mind and matter stuff), haven't heard too much about him, seen a few interviews where he talked a lot wihout actually telling anything. It's all „some force“, „some kind of plan that we can see in hindsight“, without any specific explanation of what he means. And lots of oversimplifications that make even the really existing parts of his claims rather bullshitty. Nick Herbert: Again a real physicist (though about as quantum as me) with some real experience and some weird ideas that were helped along with psychedelic substances. Obviously he has failed to prove any of them. So what I'm trying to say is: Yes, there are some people with a scientific degree claiming things that contradict science. Some of them do that because they can make more money that way, using their education as a shield against disbelieving people and complicated terms in order to confuse the layman, and some actually believe their own claims and do what every good believer does: Shut off their brains capability of recognizing illogicality when it comes to religion. None of them have anything aproaching a proof for their claims. And one more thing: The old „scientist x in the old days of y was persecuted for his believes, too!“ is not valid any more. In the „old days“ there was practically no science at all because religion was very mighty and science and education are the worst thing that can happen to any religion. Scientists weren't prosecuted by other scientists, but by the churches and other establishments relying on gullibility. Today every scientist would give his right foot, left hand and all of his hair for being able to prove one of the established theories wrong. But in order to be taken seriously you have to bring forth an explanation of some effect that until now couldn't be explained wihtout contradicting all the other effects that can be observed. What the people you listed did is just claiming the existence of effects that have never been observed, which is religion, not science. Yours, Rob. PS: Please excuse the long text. Was bored.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1425&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="qIdKIp-3lw8VRgVvD_UKhcBnovDmZhr8WSrbnmz8Y7A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1426" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310145669"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 08 Jul 2011 - 19:21</span> <a href="/comment/1426#comment-1426" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1426#comment-1426" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">@Rob and Alfred *Yawn*</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">@Rob and Alfred *Yawn*</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1426&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="0wqo5q_d5xVU42BNPObWrJHDCMzfPPxAn2RudMzqOA4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1427" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310147470"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 08 Jul 2011 - 19:51</span> <a href="/comment/1427#comment-1427" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1427#comment-1427" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Every time you open that gob,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Every time you open that gob, I can smell your Dominant Psychic Atmosphere. You sure you aren't practising the <a href="http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/2011/07/in-memoriam-robert-w-smith-1926-2011/">Parisian Halitotic Attack</a>?</p> <p>Not really a compelling example of the value of Cyclomancy, are you? "Fascinate others with your thoughts"? It's not working for me, mate. </p> <p>Still I bet you make up for it with a pretty face.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1427&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="IdD9mjsVUE7A0uNTM--qB2BOVg06tilaNrlRlPmZo50"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1426#comment-1426" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">@Rob and Alfred *Yawn*</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1428" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310303041"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2011 - 15:04</span> <a href="/comment/1428#comment-1428" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1428#comment-1428" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, to burst your bubble</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Well, to burst your bubble Alfred, over 100 years ago, before your petty little government backed scientists came up with quantum THEORIES, and other molecular structure, string and whatever other theories they stole, there was a group/being by the name of "the three initiates" who detailed in a book called "The Kybalion" which enlisted 7 principles, that, everything is matter, everything vibrates in a certain rhythm at a certain frequency - these were as he claimed, esoteric teachings spawning back to Hermes Trismagistus of Egypt. (The 7 principles where, Principle of Mentalism Principle of Correspondence Principle of Vibration Principle of Polarity Principle of Rhythm Principle of Cause and Effect Principle of Gender Which through modern day science which you obviously entrust your undying ignorance and belligerence to, has confirmed ;) Furthermore to this petty arguement, the very "scientists" you believe in, back by the very governments that thrusted $100,000,000s into psychic research facilities both America, and Russia(KGB). It just seems for every discovery of ancient knowledge or "mystical power" we have ignorant fools to condemn and try to debunk it, although their philosophies are based upon its teachings, had they the sense to invest where these theories came from rather than stand by those theories like ardent fools then they'd realise "the truth is out there" in all fairness, do you think a scientist, who spends decades building credibility and a career in what they do would "risk" it on these "conspiratorial" ventures?! would you "throw away" your careers?! look what happened to the likes of David Icke when he first came out, he went from overnight star to overnight "joke" - and thats because of the small minded society which we live in, some people are so anal retentive its shocking</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1428&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="TbrBmXSQIpbjEjMBjbwiGK4wo7cKYplClb3LPZO47DQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1429" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310305200"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 10 Jul 2011 - 15:40</span> <a href="/comment/1429#comment-1429" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1429#comment-1429" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">There&#039;s a huge difference</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>There's a huge difference between saying, vaguely "everything is vibration" and making specific, exact predictions based on observation that eventually lead to new technologies. The computer you are using to convey your opinions was created through the application of the very scientific discoveries you pooh-pooh.  Do something comparable by magic, and we might be impressed.</p> <p>If Cyclomancy is powerful, go on, show its power. Otherwise you will continue to resemble a flatulent windbag.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1429&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="G6lxvwXY12ajLSjrXX3pyYdSRlwSzAw3dB6vIgOAfVg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1428#comment-1428" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, to burst your bubble</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1497" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1314816907"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">DG (not verified)</span> on 31 Aug 2011 - 20:55</span> <a href="/comment/1497#comment-1497" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1497#comment-1497" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">That was entertaining. I</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">That was entertaining. I almost forgot why I visited this site. Like anything out of the ordinary, especially when it comes to the matters of the mind, people are going to be skeptical. Just like there are people that believe in ghosts and people who think it's a bunch of crap. I never had the choice to "believe" or not to "believe" in the supernatural/ghosts because I have been experiencing them as far back as I remember. It use to scare me like nothing else, sometimes it still does. But this doesn't make me crazy, it is what it is. ** Now don't go crazy on me Alfred, the reason I am looking for books is because also can sense I have some psychic ability. The problem is, I don't know how to control it. It just pops in and out, sometimes extremely strong and other times a confusing mess. I'm trying to "learn" it. Anyone else out there trying to do the same?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1497&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="xnVgAw4v4lhAm6lJEyrvgp34rtxmJ4CJ8yqyFadjcr8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1500" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1314865806"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 01 Sep 2011 - 10:30</span> <a href="/comment/1500#comment-1500" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1500#comment-1500" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">DG, I am as you would expect,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>DG, I am as you would expect, sceptical. But polite discussion of contrary views is welcomed. What I would ask you is how do you know that these experiences are supernatural? It is perfectly possible, I think, for sane people to experience hallucinations: how are you sure the occurrences you mention are not the creation of your own mind?</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1500&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="hTQ91Cmr1HPtIqpzsrEcssoSl8_j_jNCOdx_N2At0G8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1497#comment-1497" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">That was entertaining. I</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">DG (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1498" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1314851545"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jaysin (not verified)</span> on 01 Sep 2011 - 06:32</span> <a href="/comment/1498#comment-1498" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1498#comment-1498" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Forget all that $250+ a book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Forget all that $250+ a book mess I have just gotten a copy of cyclomancy in pdf form. The quality of the book is so-so. If you want a copy I can e-mail it to. Only $15 through pay pal and it's all yours. My e-mail is ehga66@aol.com Name: Jaysin Mood: Feelin great!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1498&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="7M8Ie3feU1xz5sYTDMoT8flK9Sn7-VYRtQdMRUOfaWM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1501" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1314893678"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 01 Sep 2011 - 18:14</span> <a href="/comment/1501#comment-1501" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1501#comment-1501" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, when I was little, I</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Alfred, when I was little, I use to think I was dreaming. But as I got older, I began to feel the difference. It's not that I wake from a dream up and reality may seem blurry. I have been woken up by full aparations standing at the foot of my bed. I take a few seconds and realize I am completely awake. It starts with a pulling sensation in my chest when I'm sleeping ( the closest way I can explain the feeling is if you take a breath in, then push it out through your mouth and keep straining to push air out, even when there is no more air...thats the feeling I get in my chest) I'm sleeping and then I feel that and it wakes me up and sure enough there is something either standing there, floating around or on the wall. At this point, I hate even opening my eyes after I become conscious because I don't want to see whats in the room. I see good spirits and I see bad ones. It's not hard to tell which one it is because of the colors that are around them. I know this sounds crazy and when I read this over I sound neurotic. But it's nothing I want, it's something I want to understand better. I have been living with it for so long, 30+ years. I know I'm not hallucinating. There are so many episodes, I don't even know where to begin. The one that is most peculiar is when I get "blown" on. Yep...I know it sounds funny, but imagine blowing on someones face? It's a quick, hard blow and it wakes me up. It freaks me out and makes me laugh at the same time because WTF is that? And I see nothing, just felt the air. So, for me to think I'm hallucinating out of a dead sleep is kind of hard to grasp. Plus...there are episodes when I'm awake and going about my day, but those aren't as intense as when I get woken up by them.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1501&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="CGZhysBBdm55iUxXJjXJJZ6as22OCmDe4O4KcY74N7Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1503" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1314893935"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 01 Sep 2011 - 18:18</span> <a href="/comment/1503#comment-1503" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1503#comment-1503" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, not wanting to be glib</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Well, not wanting to be glib - after all this is your experience and I am no expert - this sounds like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucinations">Hypnagogia</a> to me. </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1503&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="BuY1YIfjNL7xzROvK4nqF53-beAiAJe4ztih9kLZ5fM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1501#comment-1501" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, when I was little, I</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1502" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1314893919"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">DG (not verified)</span> on 01 Sep 2011 - 18:18</span> <a href="/comment/1502#comment-1502" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1502#comment-1502" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, the above is from me,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Alfred, the above is from me, DG- forgot to add name, on a different computer today.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1502&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="2dyoU09ciTEyL0u277fjE6Lefn7Vv2D413LaN4VZTLs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1504" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1314919976"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">DG (not verified)</span> on 02 Sep 2011 - 01:32</span> <a href="/comment/1504#comment-1504" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1504#comment-1504" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, thanks for that. I</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Alfred, thanks for that. I researched it deeper and find I would much rather have "hypnagogia" then to think I'm someone like Joel Haley Osments' chararacter in the "Sixth Sense". I found this one article to be facinating. It does suggest however that because I am able to tap into this realm of consciousness, even unwilling, that I possess "psychic" tendencies. What do you think? Hypnagogia: A Bridge to Other Realities Yun-Wen Shaw " To dream and altogether not to dream. This synthesis is the operation of genius, by which both activities are mutually reinforced." Every night of every day, people everywhere retreat to their beds to sleep, and oftentimes to dream. Many of us are not aware however, that the many levels of consciousness we undergo during the stages of sleep offer a link between our conscious mind and its manifested dream world; perhaps even the possibility of another realm of cognition altogether. Hypnagogia, the deeply relaxed state of consciousness that occurs shortly prior to falling asleep, has been recognized for hundreds of years as a source of creative thought and intuition by a long list of distinguished philosophers, artists, and scientists, names of which include Aristotle and Albert Einstein (1). Research into hypnagogia is now shedding light on long-sought-for explanations of psychic abilities and creative intuition obtained outside direct sensory processes by revealing the possibility that our brain may have the ability to tap into other states of consciousness (6). The phenomenon of the hypnagogic hallucinations which occur in this period are characterized by a slideshow of highly condensed, discontinuous, and bizarre imagery of faces, figures, animals, print and writing. Also accompanying this is often hearing one’s name being whispered, hearing music, and undergoing temporary physical paralysis (4, 7). These visual, auditory, and physical stimuli, have been known to cultivate intuition, bring flashes of inspiration, and offer creative insight to those who experience them (1). During this fleeting psycho-physical state, people report randomly occurring visual and auditory experiences which are relatively more disconnected and short-lived when compared to dreams characteristic of REM sleep. Hypnagogia is in fact very common, occurring in 72 to 77 percent of the population, many are unaware of the phenomena (1). A possible physical explanation for Hypnagogia is rooted in the discovery of magnetite crystals in cells of the brain and meninges. It has been found that there are five million magnetite crystals per gram in the human brain, and twenty times that number in the meninges (2). These ‘biomagnetite crystals’ are oriented in the brain in a manner that maximizes their magnetic moment, thus allowing the crystals to act as a system, and marking the ability of the brain to sense energy fields (4). These crystals could very possibly be the cause and explanation behind psychic abilities, as well as the feelings of intuition during states of hypnagogia. Let us further explore how this phenomenon may be possible. Studies that show the proximity of the crystal-containing brain cells to the pituitary and pineal glands, have led researchers to propose that these glands may use information from the earth’s magnetic field to regulate the release of hormones in the brain, thus directly controlling conscious awareness levels (2). However, there is still no way to ’read’ the signals that might be carried by the brains magnetic emissions. Despite this being so, the evidence indicating the existence of these signals and their possible constitution of a means of communication between various parts of the brain, is very compelling. This is the system that many speculate to be that which selects the neural areas to be recruited, so that the appropriate state of consciousness can elicit the suitable phenomenological, behavioral, and affective responses (4). Studies have been done to show that various low intensity magnetic signals delivered to the temporal lobes indeed have a positive effect of producing various hallucinatory effects in the subject . Such effects include vestibular feelings in which one’s normal sense of balance is replaced by illusions of levitation and vertigo. Also experienced are transient ‘visions,’ whose context include motifs that appear in near-death experiences and alien abduction scenarios. Another neuromagentically elicited experience is bursts of emotion, most commonly fear and joy. Interestingly, all of these experiences very closely approximate those in the hypnagogic state. Further experimentation performed on monkeys has determined the temporal lobes to be the part of the brain which mediates various states of consciousness. EEG readouts from the temporal lobes are markedly different when a person is asleep and undergoing a hallucinogenic seizure, or on LSD. In this case, seizural disorders confined to the temporal lobes (complex partial seizures) were characterized as impairments of consciousness. In the study, monkeys were given LSD after having various parts of their brains removed. The monkeys continued to ‘trip’ no matter what parts of the brains were missing. Only in the case where both temporal lobes were removed did the substance seem to have no affect the monkeys at all. The conclusion inarguably shows that the temporal lobes, in addition to all their other functions (in aspects of memory, language, music, etc.), also function to mediate states of consciousness (4). The interpretation of hypnagogic images in some studies have seemed to provide striking examples not only of the existence of various states of consciousness, but also of clairvoyance and telepathy (7). In his book Hypnagogia, Andreas Mavromatis declares that "…hypnagogia gives rise to the insight that there are many realities and that what we call wakefulness merely constitutes one of them…hypnagogia suggests the evolutional possibility of a further expansion of consciousness, and poses a serious question concerning the nature of reality" (7). People have applied many different strategies to channel into the "powers of the hypnogic’ by means of meditation, hypnosis, spiritualism, hallucinogenic drug use, and others. Many hypnogists report states of instantaneous intuition, exhilaration with an inspired poem, mystical insights, and exquisite peaceful joy. Occultists believe they can tap into clairvoyant experiences in the hypnagogic. Others feel that they can engage in self-hypnosis so that they can achieve things they thought impossible or too difficult, by hypnagogic visualization (5). Hypnagogic stages of sleep, with all its hallucinatory imagery, tends to act as compelling explanations for many claims of alien or supernatural encounters. It is easy to imagine how an individual who has had a hypnagogic experience with sleep paralysis, who is not familiar with the neurological explanation, to likely interpret their strange experience in terms of their cultural beliefs or in other bizarre supernatural terms (2). Hypnagogia presets new dimensions of a true New Age exploration, waiting for us all to travel together into this New World. And if any are skeptical, we can gain confidence in our hypnagogic pursuits from the realization that we are following in the footsteps of some of the most creative, intuitive and influential human minds in history. After all, Aristotle and Einstein can’t be wrong.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1504&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="3oU037Ron2NAVsp-DG_pwA76s-hFjjwUQsqJA57UvKU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1505" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1315056865"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Phewmigation (not verified)</span> on 03 Sep 2011 - 15:34</span> <a href="/comment/1505#comment-1505" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1505#comment-1505" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">DG, I heartily recommend</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">DG, I heartily recommend tracking down a copy of Jurij Moskvitin's thought-provoking 'Essay on the Origin of Thought'. It is a work of 'subjective research', investigating his own hallucinatory experiences in a detailed and thorough manner.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1505&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="DH4p840BjezU1p5kDIRhjJpmL_24wq0zDZb3biB_J7U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1504#comment-1504" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, thanks for that. I</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">DG (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1506" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1315060581"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 03 Sep 2011 - 16:36</span> <a href="/comment/1506#comment-1506" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1506#comment-1506" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Isn&#039;t the article saying the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Isn't the article saying the opposite, that people interpreting their experience in a supernatural way do so through ignorance of the science of sleep (also a great movie). It is just as likely an alien, angel, pan dimensional being or ghost as it is to be a psychic vision, which is not to say that none of these are impossible just unlikely. Aristotle was wrong, he thought the sun orbited the earth because he misinterpreted his observations. Einstein could absolutely be wrong, he might even be wrong in a way that I'm not aware of because I'm not a physics expert, but the evidence all backs up his conclusions based on our current understanding of the universe but that could change tomorow though it would require a large amount of very compelling evidence. I would say something about confirmation bias but I'm not sure I could explain it well enough- But this book could be useful http://www.end-your-sleep-deprivation.com/sleep-paralysis-treatment.html</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1506&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Wx-QVPN0K1fJDQcT3ZHOmfl40YAa-QiAZ0ME4-xVF60"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1504#comment-1504" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Alfred, thanks for that. I</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">DG (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1571" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1320986184"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Greg Doran (not verified)</span> on 11 Nov 2011 - 05:36</span> <a href="/comment/1571#comment-1571" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1571#comment-1571" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I will destroy the human race</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I will destroy the human race with these powers. Politicians and religious maggots will suffer my wrath first and then Lindsay Lohan and that maggot of a doctor who may as well shot Jacko. I am sick of hearing shit about them in the news.....</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1571&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="6dqPysVC8krH8A50Gqz4zT7P4bd6WifwIfPgBkRaIEo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1584" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322782470"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">andy (not verified)</span> on 02 Dec 2011 - 00:34</span> <a href="/comment/1584#comment-1584" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1584#comment-1584" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Dear everyone from Nigeria, </a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Dear everyone from Nigeria, or close by.......the man has written this book as a joke... Brain horns do not work... there is no such thing..sorry.. he is laughing at so many positive responses because it makes him money.. when people foolishly buy his book, he makes more money - infra red ray projections are also impossible from the human body ...... please simply ignore this clowns musings... he is simply having fun because nobody did it before.............</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1584&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="nyPbytLAt5wIKt_R3mz3mr7FbaXfkjmb7kWsLW8kL8w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1585" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322782840"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">andy (not verified)</span> on 02 Dec 2011 - 00:40</span> <a href="/comment/1585#comment-1585" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1585#comment-1585" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">ps, I have a book coming out</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">ps, I have a book coming out on a) how to set light to paper with only the power of my hands .. and b) how to make things too cold to warm up using the power of breath !!! Please email me for further info...... ay240663@hotmail.com</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1585&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="JYOKzBzWpxRft1eNkLGtJ4_BpBrdkhVnVCSN1xulh0w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1586" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322783144"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">andy (not verified)</span> on 02 Dec 2011 - 00:45</span> <a href="/comment/1586#comment-1586" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1586#comment-1586" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">for signed copies please send</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">for signed copies please send 20 US dollars to papal a/c ay240663pp@hotmail.com (if you want to know know to hypnotise ladies, please send 50 US dollars for book number 2 !!!!! )</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1586&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="gkJfZk0z6cT3v5CKdf1mos9sV-HAy3nQjE7HXzp2JPo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1617" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1325918642"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">silly columbus (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2012 - 07:44</span> <a href="/comment/1617#comment-1617" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1617#comment-1617" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;d like to get this book I&#039;m</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I'd like to get this book I'm very interested in psychic abilities I'm twelve and I fear my parents will think me mad if i tell them Is there any way to develop my psychic powers without buying anything? I'd love to but my parents will find out Any recommendations for websites?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1617&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="D5DrKnCM90ued017M6yGsZgunv_Fj6eH-J23KaPBsIc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1630" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1326788840"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sheik sharif (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2012 - 09:27</span> <a href="/comment/1630#comment-1630" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1630#comment-1630" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How to buy this book?</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">How to buy this book?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1630&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ADFCVABz4P6j7EGLAlbDaAe-xBa36oSUUKdxIS6KK-w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1640" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327556492"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 26 Jan 2012 - 06:41</span> <a href="/comment/1640#comment-1640" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1640#comment-1640" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">FRY&#039;s books are like travel</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">FRY's books are like travel brochures for the real thing. The "secret" he mentions is never put in writing and he knew enough to hold it back. There are only three ways of getting from here to there. The book(s) can be inspirational for a real devotee, but only a small start on a lifelong Journey. A psychic student needs more than a book, he/she needs an authentic guide to the disciplines. The dropout rate is extreme under the pressures of living in the material (illusory) world. Religions fail immensely as they cater to the masses. This is about learning an entirely new language, lexicon, way of thinking not taught commercially. Karma is the ultimate and impersonal judge of whom is prepared to be an Initiate.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1640&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="4UmyuZsoqsLhDZslX9-apdMPbwY5xZqeq6O1FCiZdWg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1641" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327581318"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 26 Jan 2012 - 13:35</span> <a href="/comment/1641#comment-1641" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1641#comment-1641" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und"> It doesn&#039;t say any of this</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p> It doesn't say any of this on the blurb or inside the book so what does that mean? This isn't one of those mystical channeled pieces of bullshit which talks vaguely about spiritual vibrations, it makes concrete and extravagant claims, none of which stand up to scrutiny. Is it OK if people who aren't "real devotees" buy the book and feel ripped off?</p> <p> </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1641&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="AGZ-CPFfdrVhK1T4YQhETvsv6bZEwVAzCyVr_5IRPGU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1640#comment-1640" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">FRY&#039;s books are like travel</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1642" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1327609168"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 26 Jan 2012 - 21:19</span> <a href="/comment/1642#comment-1642" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1642#comment-1642" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">People pay to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">People pay to visit/observe/consider many topics, places, things, from Stonehenge to Machu Picchu, and take courses in Yoga, Tai Chi. Why not a book that purports to show at least potentialities of some psyche developments and makes clear that few will achieve them, but will be improved to some degree? Just knowing how to breathe properly has benefits. The burden of achievement is always on the student. It starts by asking intelliigent, as well as skeptical (not cynical), as all Ph.D. students learn. There is a reason why Ontology and Meta-Physics and Existential Phenomenology go into the noumena as well as the phenomena. To use the wrong measuring stick or method, as just physics, is to be blind in the world of the Invisible Realities. Pythagoras' special school used mathematics, as he said "God Geometrized." Persons as John Dalton (Atomic Theory) and Isaac Newton (Gravitation) never made public their entire findings. So the public overlooks persons like Francis Bacon and Da Vinci, never asking the key questions. Topics like Chess and Tarot are mere curiosities to the public when they are symbolical representations of the true arrangements being what can be called "white magic." FRY's books are harmless to the reader, unlike others that actually suggest such "powers" can be used for egoistic purposes. They can't, for certain rules of the road that apply, and Karma will enforce. Used intelligently, like the article "Metaphysics in Science", they lead to liberating discoveries and new mental abilities.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1642&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="-_4kDntffNAecKTFsYUE_xna3MRortRW2SDpX-oMMiM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1671" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1330090729"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">psuedonym (not verified)</span> on 24 Feb 2012 - 14:38</span> <a href="/comment/1671#comment-1671" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1671#comment-1671" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Your definition of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Your definition of intelligent is different than most peoples Stonehenge was a burial site, yoga and tai chi are stretching exercises, machu pichu was the capital of an empire, tarot and chess are games, people attaching greater significance to them is just human compulsion to find patterns, good for keeping us alive in the wilderness less so in modern, urban, society. Oh and meta-physics is bullshit.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1671&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="6pwJaL2SCdnqopHzn85OqeSBx_re-UgLRjR1kpf2QKM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1642#comment-1642" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">People pay to</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1648" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1328035219"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 31 Jan 2012 - 19:40</span> <a href="/comment/1648#comment-1648" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1648#comment-1648" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Where can I find this book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Where can I find this book for less than the 100 bucks Amazon and Ebay is asking? Anyone?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1648&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="os48xoU9resoM_cji2fEk--gCIOUOTu24SiRBxgq85Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1649" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1328035716"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 31 Jan 2012 - 19:48</span> <a href="/comment/1649#comment-1649" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1649#comment-1649" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You don&#039;t want to pay a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>You don't want to pay a measly $100 for AMAZING SPECIAL POWERS? You probably don't have the right karma anyway to deserve it, then.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1649&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="xIVjECmqXzj3ZBvth8Ovz11pHuLUJVIE1_16SQDqUfs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1648#comment-1648" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Where can I find this book</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1653" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1328072444"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 01 Feb 2012 - 06:00</span> <a href="/comment/1653#comment-1653" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1653#comment-1653" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">$100 is cheap, compared to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">$100 is cheap, compared to the asking price for other more pertinent books on the subject. Lest anyone forget, inflation is here, courtesy of the "world powers." This book will be trading at $200 before long. It's money well spent...IF it's motivated by more than curiosity. While the book is just a brochure and the "secret" is not included (try the Holy Grail), the trail to the meta-beyond, and the Key, starts in it. Yes, if someone has the right Karma, the money for it will be there.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1653&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="e54NWobs0mDnNstm6bYNFp4J7OsbDWSkf-OLtiEiaTk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1733" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1339970365"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 17 Jun 2012 - 23:59</span> <a href="/comment/1733#comment-1733" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1733#comment-1733" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Many of the powers of the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Many of the powers of the mind referred to in this book were proven in scientifically monitored tests conducted at the Menninger Clinic on yogis as mentioned in the following quote: "They found that not only were the yogis able to voluntarily alter their brain waves, heart beats,body temperatures and other metabolic processes ordinarily considered to be regulated by the autonomic nervous system, but that the ability to voluntarily control these processes could be taught to others with little difficulty in a relatively short time. Charles A.Garfield Ph.D PEAK PERFORMANCE"</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1733&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="-rmB3E_pzklXvnUtmLCnC-0Ktpo8meie--tHXxPsNFw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1734" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1340006971"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 18 Jun 2012 - 10:09</span> <a href="/comment/1734#comment-1734" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1734#comment-1734" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;Many of the powers of the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>"Many of the powers of the mind referred to in this book?" Let's check them off:</p> <p> </p> <ul> <li><blockquote>HOW TO MOVE OBJECTS WITHOUT TOUCHING THEM!</blockquote></li> <li><blockquote>HOW TO SEE UP CLOSE FROM A DISTANCE OF TWO THOUSAND MILES!</blockquote></li> <li><blockquote>HOW YOU MAY ACQUIRE AND USE X RAY VISION!</blockquote></li> <li><blockquote>MATERIALIZING OBJECTS OUT OF THIN AIR!</blockquote></li> <li><blockquote>HOW TO REDUCE AND STAY SLIM WITHOUT STARVATION!</blockquote></li> </ul> <p>Possibly the last one, then, though the book doesn't actually mention you have to become an advanced yogi to achieve any of the amazing feats it touts.</p> <p>In other words the Menninger Clinic research has absolutely bugger all to say on the matter.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1734&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="f74-domPVwmroK2BTnhvkqdCWFNi6lzsNqIHy75dfuo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1733#comment-1733" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Many of the powers of the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1735" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1340037469"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 18 Jun 2012 - 18:37</span> <a href="/comment/1735#comment-1735" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1735#comment-1735" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The results of the research</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">The results of the research at the Menninger Clinic are fully documented in the book "Beyond Biofeedback" by Elmer Green Ph.D and Alyce Green M.A,. two of the lead investigative scientists on the project. You can find copies at various used book stores and on the internet.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1735&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="-HPvgv-tGoZ4N_yx3Le4yScQRWA-7Zcd3QiLpjmiJ0s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1751" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1347859439"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">anonymous (not verified)</span> on 17 Sep 2012 - 07:24</span> <a href="/comment/1751#comment-1751" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1751#comment-1751" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This book is now available</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>This book is now available for free online at <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/74211494/Cyclomancy">http://www.scribd.com/doc/74211494/Cyclomancy</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1751&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="jFOadGlodSzrgvzlLwE7-YuAXzQKpxPKVv-57vxDJWA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1755" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1348711271"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 27 Sep 2012 - 04:01</span> <a href="/comment/1755#comment-1755" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1755#comment-1755" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The prior claim, &quot;...with</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>The prior claim, &quot;...with little difficulty in a relatively short time...&quot; is wrong. For one, any commercial &quot;clinic&quot; can never have<br /> access to the Source needed. Mr. Young often cites that you might develop possibly up to 10 percent more from where<br /> you start, and that is enough to exceed most others. But truly outstanding developments, as suggested, are of only the<br /> rarest of demonstrations in very needful circumstances. There are rules in place which are not possible to bypass,<br /> by anyone.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1755&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="pgTWWz_ymtmV6J7Eu4Vfk7XXI_SO5QNu-3f50Lh9tO4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1763" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1349547197"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sun (not verified)</span> on 06 Oct 2012 - 20:13</span> <a href="/comment/1763#comment-1763" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1763#comment-1763" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This book is now available</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>This book is now available for free online at <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/74211494/Cyclomancy">http://www.scribd.com/doc/74211494/Cyclomancy</a><br /> if any one has other books of this author please share it..mail me at <a href="mailto:.dnahcs@gmail.com">.dnahcs@gmail.com</a>....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1763&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="IBcdPgIRHe983DczBvw_eRi9XsNYget-AReXEqZesAE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1784" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1356618608"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">raari (not verified)</span> on 27 Dec 2012 - 15:30</span> <a href="/comment/1784#comment-1784" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1784#comment-1784" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have this book but please</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I have this book but please write to me and we can talk better</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1784&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="s6GVrzPjknKvThonhXQpfqtCHXlZholvkbwoShT8u8U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1785" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1356618676"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">raari (not verified)</span> on 27 Dec 2012 - 15:31</span> <a href="/comment/1785#comment-1785" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1785#comment-1785" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">we can talk better about it</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>we can talk better about it but please send me an e-mail : <a href="mailto:raarisoa20@yahoo.fr">raarisoa20@yahoo.fr</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1785&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="oV1giS9zQr-hgJm5mPiOyEyPBWufxPs8Ua3o3sQMNqM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1857" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1367648456"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Belly Ach (not verified)</span> on 04 May 2013 - 08:20</span> <a href="/comment/1857#comment-1857" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1857#comment-1857" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Aristotle&#039;s heavenly</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Aristotle&#039;s heavenly observations were probably right on.<br /> The western world had our dear mother earth, ( our home<br /> after all, no ? ) as the center of our observed universe;<br /> until Galileo came along and conjectured up a theory,<br /> with the use of a ( borrowed,stolen ? ) lensed telescope.<br /> That theory is forced down our throats to this day; with<br /> no veritable evidence shown to us, to date !<br /> Even with the satellites and other man-made space craft<br /> traveling close to our other planets, NO relevant<br /> news on how our galaxy basically works !<br /> Tycho Brahe, a brilliant scientist and a mentor of<br /> Kepler came up with the most plausible theory in that<br /> period of earth&#039;s history ! From his observations using<br /> a non-lensed telescope, he postulated that all the planets<br /> travelled around our dear Sun except for our dear Earth !<br /> Wow, the Sun travels around us !! Something liKe circles<br /> within circles, perhaps even mentioned in the old testament;<br /> in the Holy Bible ?<br /> That is until Galileo came along and unfortunately spoiled<br /> everything, to this day. A lot of written material becomes<br /> almost worthless since that time. All that just for a bit<br /> of quick notoriety ? A lot of money down the tubes.<br /> Something like nowadays with the blatant misuse of other<br /> people&#039;s money by too many corrupt hands absconding with<br /> the innocent public purses !</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1857&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="9rxAPxiafA97PkpSLfEBFHl2CFPz5vJpqHz9qDIfZgM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1858" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1367671112"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 May 2013 - 14:38</span> <a href="/comment/1858#comment-1858" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1858#comment-1858" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">It&#039;s nice to hear a cogent</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>It's nice to hear a cogent and coherent argument from a dissenting voice. What a shame this isn't one.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1858&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="7KjV36zNq0EkLY-SfjMri98xnWSgPiNuI8_kj9bbdoE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1857#comment-1857" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Aristotle&#039;s heavenly</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Belly Ach (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1861" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1368160959"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joseph (not verified)</span> on 10 May 2013 - 06:42</span> <a href="/comment/1861#comment-1861" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1861#comment-1861" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Shoot an arrow. What does</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Shoot an arrow. What does that mean? I read no definition of what that statement meant. It left me without the ability to actually put the knowledge to the test.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1861&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="9MjxKja8YYUSXUAh4Ayh-JI79jXivBTtQtXSk62h8-w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1921" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378443312"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pratap (not verified)</span> on 06 Sep 2013 - 06:55</span> <a href="/comment/1921#comment-1921" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1921#comment-1921" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">people, i hav got this book,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>people, i hav got this book, an i am here to start practicing this from today, if anybody wanna join me, just ping me on 8096780968, or <a href="mailto:chvpratap@gmail.com">chvpratap@gmail.com</a>. strightly, only for serious n dedicated practioners. in INDIA, rushikesh on the banks of river ganga. hari om!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1921&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="5Sc5Dv9_WS8nyhXbQS7E68ie6kNDS615URbJdrYVSUY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1922" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378457754"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 06 Sep 2013 - 10:55</span> <a href="/comment/1922#comment-1922" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1922#comment-1922" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You first task, Grasshopper,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>You first task, Grasshopper, will be to learn the ancient skills that protect your inbox from a deluge of spam.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1922&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="MtJQYFiWibSzkPqK79811xOV5SdCadf3W893ZCwnOXE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1921#comment-1921" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">people, i hav got this book,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pratap (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1923" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378629224"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://theclosedroom.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Inandelea (not verified)</a> on 08 Sep 2013 - 10:33</span> <a href="/comment/1923#comment-1923" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1923#comment-1923" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I read this book, and did</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I read this book, and did some exercises, in my youth, long time ago. I&#039;m really happy to know there are good references to it, like this page, because I was always sure about the great value of this book. Is a great reference, congratulations!<br /> In fact, just now I&#039;m writing a post in my blog talking about my experience with the book, that&#039;s why I have found this site: looking for any reference in the Internet. And I have added this web address to my post, and have used the image of the book cover, hope you are agree with it, on the contrary, please let me know it and I&#039;ll delete the image. I don&#039;t give my blog address here for avoid to do advertisement about myself.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1923&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="pPzOK8nT0GSGrZV9lV0OTx30Lun_U2hDkA1Qs4vmP4g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1924" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378637840"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 08 Sep 2013 - 12:57</span> <a href="/comment/1924#comment-1924" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1924#comment-1924" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">By all means link to this</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>By all means link to this post, but if you want to use the image please take a copy and save it for use in your blog, rather than hotlinking it. Thanks.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1924&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="wthyuif904YH8XJxJc7B6WsQ4b5bu6fFdZR-0K-2d2o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1923#comment-1923" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I read this book, and did</a> by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://theclosedroom.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Inandelea (not verified)</a></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1935" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1379838558"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">inandelea (not verified)</span> on 22 Sep 2013 - 10:29</span> <a href="/comment/1935#comment-1935" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1935#comment-1935" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Done! Thanks.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Done! Thanks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1935&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="iizHWx-vJq3wkkGLAiBC52Zb1j8zSIUyc1BF6cOPn0E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1924#comment-1924" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">By all means link to this</a> by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-14607" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1408219912"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">zat was zen (not verified)</span> on 16 Aug 2014 - 22:11</span> <a href="/comment/14607#comment-14607" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/14607#comment-14607" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hilarious commentary here -</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hilarious commentary here - thanks AA, very entertaining.</p> <p>If anyone wants a copy of this ridiculous book, you can download it for free on avax.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=14607&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="FF9FR3CXrfdyVzUjIhhf_JybCPxgYTGRyoZrJj5-qsI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-38112" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1435815168"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Junaidi (not verified)</span> on 02 Jul 2015 - 07:32</span> <a href="/comment/38112#comment-38112" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/38112#comment-38112" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m in Indonesia. I need this</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I&#039;m in Indonesia. I need this book. How can I get a copy ? Can it be downloaded?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=38112&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="dGyt1n2QTDdiTP8xeIrQLES1qDVC_bUAIsVQkdbQWw4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-43238" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1453000709"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="cyclomancy does work wonders">cyclomancy doe… (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2016 - 04:18</span> <a href="/comment/43238#comment-43238" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/43238#comment-43238" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">anybody who need this book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>anybody who need this book can email me i have it in pdf format.. <a href="mailto:crazysinger1234567890@gmail.com">crazysinger1234567890@gmail.com</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=43238&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="SBLrcV5cOgMa7sEtsIb56wuTyx3iS94fesocHku-t5k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-44385" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1459558539"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span> on 02 Apr 2016 - 02:55</span> <a href="/comment/44385#comment-44385" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/44385#comment-44385" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This book is beyond AWESOME!!</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>This book is beyond AWESOME!!! I am glad that many people thinks this incredible tome is all hogwash or fake. Only those whose minds are open and have evolved to a level of true hermetic understanding should be allowed access to this powerful material. It changed my life in ways that words can never do justice!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=44385&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="sytSbcabpSeOFcOPsQJDNeuxc5tx3vFhVr1vsSAnRYg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47777" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1481539662"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">owen (not verified)</span> on 12 Dec 2016 - 11:47</span> <a href="/comment/47777#comment-47777" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47777#comment-47777" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">how can I get this book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>how can I get this book</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47777&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="B5WGjTtf8p3H-YxICacedgBchwIjbNC00Awm8gdQ8MA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/44385#comment-44385" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This book is beyond AWESOME!!</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kerry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47845" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1483177679"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:47</span> <a href="/comment/47845#comment-47845" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47845#comment-47845" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have this book for sale.</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I have this book for sale..make me an offer</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47845&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="CgytSSOfngOZpAZE8hg1oe7bcHEISkR63LPuN0rLji4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/47777#comment-47777" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">how can I get this book</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">owen (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47846" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1483177853"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:50</span> <a href="/comment/47846#comment-47846" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47846#comment-47846" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">To anyone wanting the book..</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>To anyone wanting the book...I have it for sale make me a reasonable price and we can go from there...it&#039;s the original book in excellent condition</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47846&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="p_oPUvxD9Kp0epN6lR2qVzViZdyri9RNQ8N56BQMwpY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47847" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1483177857"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:50</span> <a href="/comment/47847#comment-47847" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47847#comment-47847" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">To anyone wanting the book..</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>To anyone wanting the book...I have it for sale make me a reasonable price and we can go from there...it&#039;s the original book in excellent condition</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47847&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="TQv_NHy27wsM3I9L1VKoi3Q7G2eeq-KLo5TjsE8AmgA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-47848" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1483177860"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:51</span> <a href="/comment/47848#comment-47848" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/47848#comment-47848" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">To anyone wanting the book..</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>To anyone wanting the book...I have it for sale make me a reasonable price and we can go from there...it&#039;s the original book in excellent condition</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=47848&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="BieltTQdW1MYQEIJj0H_H6Z7RdtGkt5iqhcFyzni2gs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-50469" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1500437761"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lisa (not verified)</span> on 19 Jul 2017 - 06:16</span> <a href="/comment/50469#comment-50469" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/50469#comment-50469" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I am intrested in purchasing</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I am intrested in purchasing Cyclomancy email me at <a href="mailto:armyqt@gmail.com">armyqt@gmail.com</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=50469&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="R1VTMiFzYpEhVIRknUElHTcPr31wWZcUvMZ6WZR_1QU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/47848#comment-47848" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">To anyone wanting the book..</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marie cheveres (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-50948" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1502662907"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Neter (not verified)</span> on 14 Aug 2017 - 00:21</span> <a href="/comment/50948#comment-50948" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/50948#comment-50948" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">http://www.ebay.com/itm</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/CYCLOMANCY-The-Secret-of-Psychic-Power-Control-No-Kiddin-It-Works-5-Stars-/162625550024?hash=item25dd3cf6c8:g:BBsAAOSw8D5Zi~z5">http://www.ebay.com/itm/CYCLOMANCY-The-Secret-of-Psychic-Power-Control-…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=50948&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="76LFTLbmmxS_UPvaNsrTPbyDa5bogzlcGDOwSJQmwX4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/50469#comment-50469" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I am intrested in purchasing</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lisa (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-50947" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1502662773"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Neter (not verified)</span> on 14 Aug 2017 - 00:19</span> <a href="/comment/50947#comment-50947" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/50947#comment-50947" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">There is a copy for auction</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>There is a copy for auction here.</p> <p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/CYCLOMANCY-The-Secret-of-Psychic-Power-Control-No-Kiddin-It-Works-5-Stars-/162625550024?hash=item25dd3cf6c8:g:BBsAAOSw8D5Zi~z5">http://www.ebay.com/itm/CYCLOMANCY-The-Secret-of-Psychic-Power-Control-…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=50947&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="3uM9A0mHdt3oBz6WGFcN_x3sWmsGswc35s9cXgmErBI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-53059" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1510273022"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jim (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2017 - 01:17</span> <a href="/comment/53059#comment-53059" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/53059#comment-53059" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Anyone have a used copy or</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Anyone have a used copy or even pdf scan of Young&#039;s &quot;Zodic Force Control&quot; for sale?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=53059&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="oQDOmL7SzRZgAvlc1QBGsqmygr1lufvYad1HtcsYmmg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-54340" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1516253848"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Danny Dunham (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2018 - 06:37</span> <a href="/comment/54340#comment-54340" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/54340#comment-54340" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Visualizing a piece of steak</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Visualizing a piece of steak is not the same as eating it. I fail to see how that shows he wasn&#039;t a vegetarian. So anything tried from any of his books and didn&#039;t work? That&#039;s the bottom line for me.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=54340&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="K0axa9LrOn8d8DP804MHa4iB0Nl9Jjgp9fvYmwOlPqM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-55512" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1538518604"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gonzalez perez (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2018 - 00:16</span> <a href="/comment/55512#comment-55512" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/55512#comment-55512" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I will greatly appreciate</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I will greatly appreciate that someone can help me get a copy of this book.</p> <p>thank you very much</p> <p><a href="mailto:sadasop@yahoo.com">sadasop@yahoo.com</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=55512&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="mtuZatjjK_c8eXMhhZIWp4p_iTGDpp1ZbwwdLE9iKRQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-64940" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1570926077"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Derek (not verified)</span> on 13 Oct 2019 - 02:21</span> <a href="/comment/64940#comment-64940" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/64940#comment-64940" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Have you a copy of this book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Have you a copy of this book so I may purchase a copy?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=64940&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="pnqW1XGj0sh9iR3J4AfHQQGHUqHSaAH-OQevdxBEEzA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-64953" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1570968147"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 13 Oct 2019 - 14:02</span> <a href="/comment/64953#comment-64953" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/64953#comment-64953" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi Derek, I have only my own</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hi Derek, I have only my own personal copy of this book and am not considering selling it. (Odd Books is not a bookshop, just a hobby for me.)</p> <p>Cheers, Alfred</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=64953&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="heHmNl79ms7i_FomxKjPKGgpMngq_Vfj6ZDgFVcQaDg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/64940#comment-64940" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Have you a copy of this book</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Derek (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-65592" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1574343364"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">mahendra rawat (not verified)</span> on 21 Nov 2019 - 14:36</span> <a href="/comment/65592#comment-65592" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/65592#comment-65592" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">thanks</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>thanks</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=65592&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="bf9UXizxNJf9ZRO3E_iBk0EsKYHqtHJ899hT9Rl69v4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> </section> Wed, 25 May 2005 01:00:19 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 145 at http://oddbooks.com Earth's Earliest Ages http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/pember.html <span>Earth&#039;s Earliest Ages</span> <span><span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span></span> <span>16 Feb 2003 - 12:07</span> <div class="oddbook__field-author d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Author(s)<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">G. H. Pember</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-subtitle">And Their Connection with Modern Spiritualism and Theosophy</div> <div class="oddbook__field-pubdate d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> Edition / Year<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item">12th Edition, 1893(?)</div> </div> <div class="oddbook__field-file-under d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> File under<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__items"> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/christianity" hreflang="en">Christianity</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/pre-adamites" hreflang="en">pre-adamites</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/spiritualism" hreflang="en">Spiritualism</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/satan" hreflang="en">Satan</a></span> <span class="field__item"><a href="/category/file-under/occult-powers" hreflang="en">occult powers</a></span> </div> </div> <div class="oddbook__taxonomy-vocabulary-1 d-flex"> <div class="field__label font-weight-bold"> In the section labelled<span class="field__label__suffix mr-1">:</span> </div> <div class="field__item"><a href="/category/odd-books/religious-bent" hreflang="en">The Religious Bent</a></div> </div> <div class="oddbook__body"><p>(<strong>Please note</strong> that this article contains mockery of sincerely held Christian beliefs, albeit of the flakier variety. If that sort of thing offends you, kindly shove off).</p> <p>It is interesting to observe how some misguided souls manage to build vast towers of supposition on the shakiest foundations by the power of faith alone. In his book Mr. Pember presented a vision of the world which may sound like fantastic fiction to the sceptic, but which he believed was a literal interpretation of the words of the Bible: the type of interpretation in which any assertion, however mad, however unsupported by evidence, can be 'true' if some Biblical passage can be read as confirming it.</p> <p>His aim in writing the book was to communicate his views on the connections between the ancient history of the world and the then popular fads of Theosophy and Spiritualism, which he saw as demonically-inspired and liable to bring about the end of mankind. There seemed to him clear parallels between contemporary events and biblical stories such as the Fall of Adam and Eve and the great Flood.</p> <p>Pember's application of the term 'literal' did not exclude the wildest interpolations between the lines where he felt like it. For example, take the first two verses of Genesis:-</p> <blockquote> <ol> <li> In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.</li> <li> And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</li> </ol> </blockquote> <p>According to Pember (following the Scottish theologian Thomas Chalmers), there is no indication of the length of time that had passed between the two verses, and so there is no contradiction between the Bible and geological observation: the vast ages of time indicated by study of rocks occurred in the gap. What is more, Pember was inclined to believe that during this time there were in existence numberless 'preadamite' races of man who were each in turn wiped out by God when they proved unable to resist the lure of sin.</p> <p>In this time, too, Satan got up his rebellion against God and was duly chucked out of heaven (though how he hoped to succeed in overcoming his omnipotent adversary is never explained), to find a new home with his accomplices in the air around us:-</p> <blockquote> For the whole aerial surroundings of our planet are densely peopled with a hostile race of beings unutterably superior in wisdom and power to ourselves; having had during a vast number of years every conceivable experience of the weak points of humanity ; possessing the incalculable advantage of being themselves invisible, though as spiritual intelligences they are probably able, not merely to judge of us by our words and outward expression of countenance but even to read the innermost thoughts of our heart; co-operating with the most perfect and never-failing organization; and lastly, directed by a leader of consummate wisdom and skill, who is assisted by powerful princes, and finds his subjects so numerous, that, if we are to lay any stress on the word “legion” in the memorable narrative of Luke, he is able to spare some six thousand of them to guard one miserable captive.</blockquote> <p>(Scary, eh? Satan - the ultimate super-villain).</p> <p>Pember's version of the Adam and Eve story is a little odd, too. I am not entirely sure what to make of the following passage:-</p> <blockquote> Yet another and crowning joy was in store for Adam. His benign Creator, knowing that it was not good for him to be alone, determined to bestow upon him a companion and partner of his joy. But first he brought to him the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, to see what he would call them: that is, to see if he should claim any of them as bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh. Adam gave names to all, but to none that of woman; a result which had, of course, been anticipated by God. Indeed it seems not improbable that He made the trial to stimulate in His creature a desire which He intended to gratify.</blockquote> <p>Is there not a hint of bestiality here?</p> <p>Adam and Eve were tempted by a snakeskin-clad Satan, and ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Grumpy old God, who could anticipate that Adam would not fancy snuggling up to even the cutest of camels, but somehow failed to spot Old Nick setting up his greengrocer's cart, slung them out of the garden, and in a fit of temper cursed the Earth. Pember cites a nutty Professor Balfour, who believed that the existence of thorns and thistles were 'evidence' of His curse on the vegetable kingdom.</p> <p>Having dealt with the early chapters of the Bible, Pember turned to the various modern manifestations of sin that would bring down the wrath of God as in the days of Adam. In so doing, he showed that his literalism in the reading of texts was not limited to the Bible but extended as much to the extravagant claims of his foes in the Theosophical movement, such as that mediums, by the aid of demons, are able “to hold intercourse with supernatural beings, to reveal secrets, and in some degree to foretell; can travel in a moment to any part of the world ...”. Furthermore, demonic possession is a commonplace, “a large proportion of the patients in our lunatic asylums” being such cases, and “direct communication with demons ... is now becoming prevalent”. And, proving the advanced nature of North American society even 100 years ago, “the ceremonious marriage of a woman to a demon is a thing not unknown in the United States: whether it has ever happened in England we cannot say”.</p> <p>Another great evil in the world was Buddhism, which according to Pember had many more adherents than previously suspected: for, “recent investigations have made it probable that Buddha was once the god of Northern Europe, and that his name is philologically identical with that of Woden...”. Not only that, but some fifth century Chinese Buddhists “apparently” reached North America and made converts there. Most astonishingly (except to the most paranoid of protestant fundamentalists), “there can be little doubt that the Buddhist tope is the original of the Roman Church...”.</p> <p>Like many before and after, Pember believed that the End Was Nigh, though sensibly he refrained from suggesting exactly how Nigh It Was, preferring darkly hinting rhetorical questions: “if the great apostasy, which will at last evolve the Lawless One, be even now spreading; who can be sure of a day or an hour? ... Are we not living through solemn times: is the air not full of warnings: does it not behove every believer to arise, gird up his loins, and trim his lamp?”. How disappointing it must have been to those of Pember's readers who responded to his call and spent the remainder of their days in loin-girding and lamp-trimming, rather than on something they might have enjoyed more, to go to their death beds without having witnessed the second coming nor having the satisfaction of seeing their sinful neighbours judged and sent down into the black and fiery mouth of Hell.</p> <p>Amusing as this may be, wouldn't it be much more so if no-one nowadays believed this kind of tripe? Sadly the number of misguided loons does not appear to have diminished much over the century since it was published: indeed you can still <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0825435331/102-1608303-2195300?vi=glance">buy this book</a>, you poor saps.</p></div> <section class="comment-list"> <h2>Comments</h2> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header"> Leave a comment </div> <div class="card-body"> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=122&amp;2=comment_node_oddbook&amp;3=comment_node_oddbook" token="E3NRbjcVJQxf4WNxm8u3QYN9pr71Yr0DB6jtTBdHz8w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-131" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1231708411"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 11 Jan 2009 - 22:13</span> <a href="/comment/131#comment-131" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/131#comment-131" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">that was quite an article to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">that was quite an article to read...(whoever you are) you must have a "cast iron" heart and destined to live forever,...and seeing that you are supernaturally vindicated to have the correct understanding ,...that Pember was a "Crank' or a religeous "Crack pod",..and his revelation of the ages of time between Genisis 1 and genesis 2 are wrong. you tell me then....are we the only civilization that has been on this "Ancient" planet?....as far as most Bible believers know, there are only 2 civilizations that have been brought to mans attention,...the present civilization.. and the one destroyed in the antedeuvian destruction,..this is not true,,, and the reason I say it's not true is because it is clearly written in the Bible that there have been many ages of Human civilizations on this planet,...all you need to do is turn to the book of Ecclesiastes chapter 1....read from verse 8 to verse 11....the Amplified Bible brings it out very well........So Pember was 100% correct</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=131&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="_jt_ujiydd_YK8yH8zVphamSrDO24v0jzVvAtNfAEMM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-140" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232363204"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 19 Jan 2009 - 12:06</span> <a href="/comment/140#comment-140" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/140#comment-140" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wow. It&#039;s in the magic book</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Wow. It's in the magic book so it must be true.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=140&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="I8KlnZIDX7h_GOkX0c19q9tUsNTR3KlTlZfG613tULg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/131#comment-131" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">that was quite an article to</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-137" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232296314"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2009 - 17:31</span> <a href="/comment/137#comment-137" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/137#comment-137" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">With Pember&#039;s skillful</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">With Pember's skillful methods of reading between biblical lines now revealed I can finally substantiate my long held believe that god physically consummates his love with us while we sleep at night and that mosus was a dinosaur. Thank you for revealing a true genius to the world once more.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=137&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="JG6fFgyH22V_0ubAin-GzPn8n5kUcGrMWOCH8uLmGb8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-141" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1232435231"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2009 - 08:07</span> <a href="/comment/141#comment-141" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/141#comment-141" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well,..I have to say that</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Well,..I have to say that you are right,..it is written in the Bible or the "Magic Book" as you call it....there must be a reason don't you think?,.. Moses,.. or whoever wrote the Old testament could not have sucked it out of his thumb..or did he write it via inspiration from the Creator himself. It is written that there is no new thing that man can achieve ( includung Nuclear Knowledge)... you can be sure that it has all happened before...in the Vast Ages Of Time that were before us....where are we going to fit that in? In the beginning..God created the Heavens and the Earth...."Period...the fact that there was a vast space of time there,.. could not be figured out by man himself.... it "had" to be given or revealed to man by God. who is the man that can say it never happened? are we not an advanced civilization now,..living on a round planet in the middle of nowhere...or am i wrong?......If I am right ...then as intelegent people we need to ask ourselves the questions, why am I here? and how did I get here? how did I get my present identity? and how did we get the knowledge to split the Atom and completely destroy the human race....we have it now and they had it back then in the Antedeluvian world that was destroyed,....how many times has it happened? The human race is suffering from amnesia,...for some reason people cannot believe that God has created more than once here on this planet,... we have the fossil remains of Dinosaurs ..where God brooded over the Earth ..way back then and brought a specific "life cycle' of animals into existence,...how many times did it happen?..and how many billions of years ago was it?. Are we the first to land on the moon?...and were there people on Mars before... it's in the mind of man now...don't you think it was in the mind of man before?...(think about it) you don't have to be a literary giant or a mathematical genius now that it has been brought to our attention.....Creation "demands" a Creator,...who else could reveal to GH Pember (and a few others) that there were Ages of time between genesis 1 and genesis 2 but God .....God brought it to mans attention. The problem with the human race is that his mind is "locked" in the present system of the world and therefore completely blinded from his Creator...and the only way he can justify his intelectual Godlessnes is to believe that he evolved from some animal that once swung from tree to tree somewhere...untill he eventially destroyes himself with his own technology,......Michael A Wilson.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=141&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="4TmSK-I3ST1F0ovO6we8Xe3myfJXtd0mxg_4KqqXpZ4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-164" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1235104431"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 20 Feb 2009 - 05:33</span> <a href="/comment/164#comment-164" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/164#comment-164" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Tell me , where is it</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Tell me , where is it written that Eve was tempted by a Snake skin clad Satan? and where is it written that Adam and Eve were eating a bunch of apples that made them realise they were naked?. Does it not say in Genesis 3 verse 2 that Adam and Eve may eat of "every" friut tree of the "GARDEN" natural friut , including the preverbial Apple. it was the "Curse" that God put on the Serpent that changed his original form through some evolutionary/ adaptational process perhaps This was a person that the Bible referes to as "he" a personal pronoun. and "he" being above all animals in the creation, had an intelegent conversation with Eve, obviously with a very good understanding of the principiles of life. his "inspiration' was Satan, but he himself was not Satan, or any snake coiled around a tree, but the most Subtil of all the beast of the field,..between the animal and the human, just like the Bible says. It's more than obvious that the friut tree that was in the "midst" of the garden, that was not to be touched was Eve herself, the rest is as clear as daylight Man fell, by joining himself to the animal kingdom by choice. that is why God required a BLOOD sacrifice as an atonement. Howcome, the Serpent ( being inspired by Satan) knew the outcome and what it would cause, Had Satan,(Gods enemy) caused a similar thing before here on this planet,...</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=164&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="EIaq798BEtSJSz_RbIz3Lbkb1k7MJjh9E7TZjYByBO8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-165" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1235336305"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 22 Feb 2009 - 21:58</span> <a href="/comment/165#comment-165" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/165#comment-165" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot; he &quot; The Serpent was</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">" he " The Serpent was obviously "one' of a speci, which was the highest form between the animal and the human,...when God cursed him, that whole speci was "taken out" this is the speci who's seed could mix (and did mix)with the human and Satan knew it. It's an undeniable fact that we have animal remnants in us and it's an undeniable fact that we are part animal. it's hybridisation that caused the (free radical) death process in us. whereas before, there was no death. (Ye shall not eat of it neither shall ye touch it) "LESS YE DIE" Gen3:3 (plenty of graveyards just down the road) Unfortuneately it is more than futile for the present anthropologists, scientist and geologists who spend years and years and millions of dollars trying to find this animal,..they know there was a 'Link" but regardless of the fact that they are very educated and very smart, they still have the tendency to walk "rough shod" over a field of "Orchids" with hobnail boots, to inspect or analyze a blade of grass. That animal is still here, he sure is, but after the "Curse" got hold of him , he is no longer in that form. (or in any mood either) and he can never be recognised by Science, geologist, anthropologists and all the other "ologists" that go with it. ...I wonder what Satan thinks about him now?. I wil put Emnity between "Thy" Seed and "Her" Seed Gen3;15 so the Serpent had a seed and and Eve had a seed (or aquired one?) Eve, being the mother of all living, as mentioned in Gen3;20 dissapeared into history, but Adam was NOT the father of all living,. There never was any such thing as a Talking Snake in the garden of Eden and there never was any such thing as an Apple Tree walking around in the "midst"of the Garden either. I think there are a lot of people out there who need to pull the wool "off" their eyes The Seed of the Serpent might be conroversial, but it's the truth nevertheless.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=165&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="D-7Pr7o1Fzz5I7HvssFvGavAOJMNUGWKYQesiOv32W0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-454" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1246586757"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">antiangelo (not verified)</span> on 03 Jul 2009 - 04:05</span> <a href="/comment/454#comment-454" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/454#comment-454" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m kind of a lapsed</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I'm kind of a lapsed Christian, also American. Whenever I read anything about the Bible, be it the Bible or maybe Paradise Lost, etc. For some reason I always picture the devil as a Scottish Drunk. You kick him out of the bar, he has no right to be there legally, but somehow he's going to come round later and kick in your window. You can get the cops on him, the law's on your side, but somehow he gets the upper hand and you constantly have to deal with him. Not sure what the theological ramifications are, but it's what goes through my head.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=454&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="VPaf0-DpGJhr3hRNaeB0hXVx8x4Xut_qHtItOTjtEsM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-456" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1247117476"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 09 Jul 2009 - 07:31</span> <a href="/comment/456#comment-456" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/456#comment-456" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well , the way you describe</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Well , the way you describe satan is actually true,...he is an acuser of the people of God....he is always around,...he is a spirit in opposition to God...if he can find a fault in the Bible ....and if there is a fault in the Bible, then he would have a right to Eternal Life, and God would be obligated to give it to him. There is no fault in the Bible. if you are a believer, then you are a duallity as a person, and you have to deal with the "old nature" that is what Satan works on and he is a very good adversary,....Salvation doesn't depend on your human ability, if it did, then there would be no reason for God to take on the form of Man two thousand years ago. "He" paid the price as a Man. your name was put on the "Book of Life" way back before the foundation of this Earth. the "Seed Gene" of God is either in you by birth,,...or you can never get it. if you are part of God then Satan is going to attack you. don't condemn yourself,..just keep going. Regards</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=456&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="wQclPYmufVZ6xjhfPv5CEhGDqWFOixM3n22spTLe_TA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-460" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1247305391"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2009 - 11:43</span> <a href="/comment/460#comment-460" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/460#comment-460" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">God &#039;bless even you&#039;!</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">God 'bless even you'! Having read only one of his book "Great Prophecies" I have realized that G H Pember was a great man of prophetic caliber whom God had raised in England to reveal the truths that were hidden in the layers of bible and history. Many of his interpretations of 130 years back, have exactly happened in the last century concerning Israel, the church and the gentiles and I strongly believe the remaining ones would very soon 'come to pass'! When the foretold terrible events 'befall' in the coming years; you may remember the words of warnings this great man (like that of Noah) had uttered and pray to the Almighty God for deliverence! Please read his other books as well.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=460&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Xo0QCdQG1k5FTKOtV4h2TuKVVbARK-n2zxGc50yWgUE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-476" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1248534968"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 25 Jul 2009 - 17:16</span> <a href="/comment/476#comment-476" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/476#comment-476" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Thanks for that information,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Thanks for that information, he was a great man of God, and I will try to get his other book</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=476&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="MMMLamTueY9Elj5vMvsC9GxOE2BlwditqWBPica43e0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-484" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1249818713"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 09 Aug 2009 - 13:51</span> <a href="/comment/484#comment-484" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/484#comment-484" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The thought of a Preadamic</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">The thought of a Preadamic civilization came to me several days ago. I then searched the scripture and the inspired sermons by God's servant. After comparing the Scriptures, the sermons and consider their harmony, I am convince that there was "life" before Adam. Make no mistake that I did not say Mankind "life". Mankind started with Adam the son of God and no one else. From last week, I was set free from my "set mind" that the Sun and the moon are only 10,000 years at most. Now I understand the Bible and know that it harmonises with common sense and scientific findings. God bless you.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=484&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="L_NX7dodhSVXi7SCaORcAagGhfEUTV4nhbgMPGlKf_Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-489" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250484475"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 17 Aug 2009 - 06:47</span> <a href="/comment/489#comment-489" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/489#comment-489" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">GH Pember was a great man</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">GH Pember was a great man with an amazing insight, but he could only bring to our attention what God purposed him for. He tried to tackle the mystery of the Fall of Man in the garden of Eden...but that revelation was only given 100 years or so later, as I mentioned previously Satan was not a "Snake" coiled arount a tree. Satan is a Spirit who is in opposition to God and the serpent was not a snake but a upright person,...the Curse that God put on him changed his orriginal form. over a long period of time perhaps You are right about Adam being the first human here, but that would be in the present "life cycle" of creation on this Planet. We as humans look back to our orrigins and the mind boggling complexity of life, and we do not realise that God has had many "life Cycles" of creation here. there were billions of years between Gen1:1 and Gen1:2 there will be civilizations again on Earth in the future too,after we have all gone here This fact is also mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastes Chapter1 verse 3 to verse 11 God Bless you</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=489&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="KbP1z3vfWElndqDuUCXv0A1UaLDy1rE7-MY_cs8nWAc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-627" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263538789"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.apostasynow.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="just another Christian">just another C… (not verified)</a> on 15 Jan 2010 - 07:59</span> <a href="/comment/627#comment-627" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/627#comment-627" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">In 1847, the Dragon raised</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">In 1847, the Dragon raised his skeletal dead-head from the grave in our sight, and proclaimed throughout the world that none of our histories were correct, and that all human religion was made of the same superstitious substance; all of it being denounced and discredited by the pictures of dinosaurs in a British newspaper in 1847. Within a few years, Charles Darwin jumped on the popular and constantly applauded promiscuous bandwagon to be the star of the show by explaining it all so that humanity was nothing more than a nearly hairless, very clever monkey: descended from an amoeba like creature that just 'appeared' in a slime ocean: an amoeba like thing that became a fish like thing; that became a lizard like thing: that became a gopher like thing, that became you. INDEED, most of mankind (even in the so-self-claimed 'civilized' masses) does live by the social code of the ape tribe to this very day; so that behavioral as well as physiological evidence can be cited to support Darwin's thesis (see Nietzsche's "Genealogy Of Morals"). But no other animal anywhere in the world has ever circumcised itself. Circumcision ALONE proves that there is a fundamental and essential difference between humanity and the animal kingdom. I do not know if The Gap Theory as we now have it completely explains the Nazca Lines or Easter Island as well as the dinosaurs, but it is the only explanation that I presently know of that leaves humanity with any dignity or hope. I will NOT willingly participate (COMPETE) in the society of the apes, and I will affirm monogamy as a sign of human connection to Divinity. Nietzsche's "Superman" was only the 800 pound gorilla, who could bully it's way to the biggest harem, the best seat in the clearing and the first choice of available food. Fallen (sinful) humanity is bestial, but this does not come of bestiality, but of sin. Jesus Christ IS God, and you're not.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=627&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="MK4vT2nDnsxqq5Qry9wd6vCI-JVoQ3XHrSk5E5tHh2g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-628" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263551907"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 15 Jan 2010 - 11:38</span> <a href="/comment/628#comment-628" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/628#comment-628" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Why pick on circumcision? No</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Why pick on circumcision? No other animal gives itself haircuts or wears shoes. None of this proves anything. The Bible is full of inconsistencies and contradictions: have you got more mad theories to explain all of them? I hope so, as there's nothing so pleasing as laughter.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=628&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="LHehIRLbfd8RXxM6A_de8odFUeIp0fvSRkqD20wqTcw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/627#comment-627" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">In 1847, the Dragon raised</a> by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.apostasynow.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="just another Christian">just another C… (not verified)</a></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-631" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263879306"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2010 - 06:35</span> <a href="/comment/631#comment-631" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/631#comment-631" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, ( to Just another</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Well, ( to Just another Christian) It's very interesting what you say, and it is no doubt an enormous and very contraversial subject. there is a very big difference between us humans and an animal, as I mentioned previously about the fall of man in the beggining via "The Serpent" one has to consider where this Serpent came from in the first place. There was a great evolution, but God's great evolution could not have been a random developement of life that was free to go in any uncontrolled direction,....Evolution went along the predestination and foreknowledge of God, where every seed will bring forth of it's "kind" who's life is within itself, ( and God saw that it was Good) animals evolved via an adaptational process dictated by the climatic changes and circumstances on Earth. This being perhaps braught about by the continental plates drifting together and drifting apart and changing the climate. There is no possibility of one specie changing into another specie via a process of time. Now here is the great mystery, in terms of the theory of us humans evolving from some animal that once swung from tree to tree somewhere. God does not indwell an animal, humans were created in the image of God, the spiritual part of us. but somewhere along the line that orriginal creation was interfered with, and there is animal in us now, as well as the fact that we are now subject to death. .....so what happened? the animalistic brutality, and the sexual depravity that is in man, did not come from God. and could only have come via that link that Man has been searching for. The Serpent. hence this great scientific and technological age that we now live in, which was joint heirs with consequent hybridization of the human race. There are two natures in the human race now, and it was not so in the beginning. It's also very clear in the book of genesis, that there was pre Adamic civilizations on Earth , and Gods enemy was involved there too. The Nasca lines are also a very clear indication of very advanced civilizations that were here ....perhaps a million years ago, or who knows. Eric Von Daniken saw it very clearly in his book "chariets of the Gods", though I dissagree with him that people from another planet came here. it lookes very much like the remaines or the foundations of ancient landing strips superimposed one on top of the other, ..some have been pushed up by mantle and crust activity in the earth. there is very little techtonic activity there and very dry, which is probably why they can still be seen. I don't know why "Alfred Armstrong" say's that the Bible contradicts itself, I have been around for the best part of fifty years and I still can't find a contradiction in it. There cannot be the slightest fault or contradiction in the Word of God, if there is, Satan would have found it a long time back already, and he would have a right to Eternal Life, and God would be obligated to give it to him, as well as the fact that God would have to aknowledge defeat by His enemy Satan, and we know that is not going to happen. So Alfred Armstrong, you are wrong. and I am right.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=631&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="YTAIhFOjDisi7_pOnkSRG2fMCCCxSjiWlsR8kcpfrDU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-632" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263909015"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 19 Jan 2010 - 14:50</span> <a href="/comment/632#comment-632" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/632#comment-632" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Best source I&#039;ve found for</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Best source I've found for blblical contradictions: http://www.ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/?t=contra </p><blockquote><p>"There cannot be the slightest fault or contradiction in the Word of God, if there is, Satan would have found it a long time back already, and <br /> he would have a right to Eternal Life, and God would be obligated to give it to him,<br /> as well as the fact that God would have to aknowledge defeat by His enemy Satan,<br /> and we know that is not going to happen. So Alfred Armstrong, you are wrong.<br /> and I am right."</p></blockquote><p>On the other hand there may be no such being as Satan (and biblical authority for his existence is pretty rocky: http://eu.dummies.com/WileyCDA/how-to/content/sizing-up-satan-in-the-bible.html). </p><p>Saying your opponent is wrong because they disagree with you isn't an argument, by the way. If you are going to argue with someone, you have to start from common ground. If I don't believe in the truth of the Bible, then you need to find evidence of its veracity to convince me, not simply tell me I'm wrong. Anyone can play that game and it doesn't get us anywhere.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=632&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="zgccCjTNQRWqxrfpmXyUd919l1lwb9CmPf4tVh5-txg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/631#comment-631" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, ( to Just another</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-633" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1263966374"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2010 - 06:46</span> <a href="/comment/633#comment-633" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/633#comment-633" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">No real argument intended,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">No real argument intended, we can all be wrong in things in life, and I doubt that you are my opponent. You probably don't have to go to a mental institution to see Satan, all you need to do is go to your nearest Night Club, and believe me, you will see him in action for yourself,....just stand there and watch the guys look upon the woman and eachother in lust just the same as the Serpent looked upon Eve. After all he has to look after his own Eden that he has aquired for himself via his "diabolical' biological understanding of the principals of life. it has taken him six thousand years to aquire this in opposition to God. physical beauty breeding with physical beautiful, in Satan's own sexual Eden. no wonder God is going to destroy it again. Don't tell me he does not exist, because I know better than that,........Please don't send him my regards when you are there ,..because he don't like "me"</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=633&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="rtYkDrDGGnqqLskULbFTZRUMB9R7sACSLoIrzzg8zIA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1048" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287662620"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 21 Oct 2010 - 14:03</span> <a href="/comment/1048#comment-1048" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1048#comment-1048" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;In this time, too, Satan got</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">"In this time, too, Satan got up his rebellion against God and was duly chucked out of heaven <b> (though how he hoped to succeed in overcoming his omnipotent adversary is never explained),</b> to find a new home with his accomplices in the air around us:-" Alfred makes an interesting observation: One thing that Christians never seem to discuss and that I find truly fascinating is the question of why Satan, a creature far older wiser than any human would war against God, a fight which anyone capable of the slightest reason would say he is bound to loose. Nobody starts a war they are certain to loose. If they ever put out a study asking people "Would you rebel against an omniscient, omnipotent being?" I have to imagine the results would overwhelmingly be in the <b>"no".</b> "Paradise Lost" attempts to deal with this but, I think, does a poor job. Also the problem is dealt with in the excellent book "Good Omans" by T. Pratchett and N. Gaiman in which the side of heaven is portrayed as not at all certain to win to apocalypse. If I were inclined to believe in the bible I would take this extraordinary discrepancy quite seriously, probably become suspicious as to why it is not mentioned and windup a gnostic student of the lost gospel of Basilides. I would love to know of any books that attempt to deal with this subject.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1048&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Fulav26OxuVUk9SvRV0Uzd34wjj_h1Xde9IgI5ytW1s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/633#comment-633" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">No real argument intended,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1050" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287816232"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 23 Oct 2010 - 08:43</span> <a href="/comment/1050#comment-1050" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1050#comment-1050" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You are absolutely right sir,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You are absolutely right sir, The reason why most Bible believers never seem to discuss how Satan could ever hope to succeed in overcomming his omnipotent adversary, Namely ( Jehovah Elohim)... or the Sovereign singular identity, self existing intrinsic Being, that encompasses all fathomless eterntity. ....is because Satan has never been ignorant enough to believe it in the first place. Satan, who was a creation of God, and was equal to God, except he could not create,.. but instead ultimately, ended up being cast down to earth. where he began to pervert what God had already created. Ofcourse we all understand, that the realm or diamention that this all took place, is far beyond any humans understanding. It is important to understand, that in this Great self existing Being, were many different attributes, or perhaps better described as charracteristics. like A Saviour, A Healer, A Comforter, a Creator, etc. all these different attributes of God required a manifestation. In other-words He could not be a Saviour, if there was nothing to be saved. He could not be a Healer, if there was no sickness, He could not be a Comforter, if no comforting was required, He could not be a Creator if there was no creation. All that exists in the present reality as we as humans know it,...was for the purpose of God to express the Charracteristics of Himself,..or the charracteristics that were in Him. These Characteristic requiring a form or a format, or a set of surcumstanses, whereby the same singular identity, All Mighty God, would actively appear in the ordering of events, under His own Divine Authority, to Redeem His Elect from Adams Fallen Race, thereby taking Himself a Bride, that was formally trapped by representation ,with no way out, and no hope, but for that particular attribute. The Saving Grace, of All Mighty God. God had to create the devil (satan), otherwise no opposition was available, this opposition being in terms of satan's influence on the"free will" God had Given His orriginal creation in Eden. God created the "Serpent" the very instrument that satan used.....so it can therefore be said that God allowed man to fall, by his own free will, and that is why God was duty bound to redeem him, according to the "Grace Attribute" that was in Him as the Sovereign God. He, Himself, ultimately took on the form of flesh, and died as a Human ...a kinsman, and thereby expressing that saviour attribute that was in Him. Satan knows that he can never defeat God. in fact he trembles at the very thought of God, and the thought of his ultimate end. The only thing he does, is pervert what god has created. this also being in terms of him doing his best through religeous deception, and the five senses of the body to drag as many souls as he can with him. That is why it is written,.... all who's name is not written in the lambs Book of Life. before the foundation of the earth, will be deceived by Him and his diabolical religeous organization. Satan can never defeat God ,..and he knows it.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1050&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="KXARXj4M3TV-p2i241xW4JyN9tG3_d2-SMVbEADk7jU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1052" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287829907"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 23 Oct 2010 - 12:31</span> <a href="/comment/1052#comment-1052" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1052#comment-1052" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Also what does ,.... mean? I</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Also what does ,.... mean? I know the Brits use commas differently than we of the colonies so perhaps you are from Ireland and have different conventions than us.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1052&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="qOmaQhiQqPVAbxp7k9J3HiV1NVKVHTcvwhY9Z6DVn0c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1050#comment-1050" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You are absolutely right sir,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1051" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287829693"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 23 Oct 2010 - 12:28</span> <a href="/comment/1051#comment-1051" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1051#comment-1051" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">So your saying that God</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">So your saying that God created Evil and Satan so he could have something to save, comfort, create, and heal? I doubt many theologians would agree that god created evil because such a theory clashes with the idea that god is all good or omnibenevolent. In any case you seem to have missed my point. I'll try to summarize it in a few easy steps: (1) If Satan knows that god will defeat him he will not oppose god. (2) Satan knows as much as you do and quite alot more. Furthermore he is almost certainly more intelligent than you or any other human. (3) Therefore his opposition to god must be because he actually has quite a good chance of defeating god. (4) Therefore all that business of <i>"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not"</i> is simply propaganda and not actually certain to happen or predestined at all. (5) Therefore its just as reasonable to support hell as to support heaven. Possibly more reasonable because hell doesn't constantly brag that its going to win ad nausium. Indeed, if I had to pick between two teams, one telling me constantly its certain to win and the other not saying anything I would probably pick the smugly silent. Really its just like expecting Satan to pick both boxes in Newcomb's paradox, except if he picks both boxes he doesn't just loose money, the Predictor stabs him repeatedly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomb's_paradox</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1051&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="aAkmf6dncYDpIvZ-N7pA5vPgLJTzNWIiwNhZU7t5nXQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1053" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287870803"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 23 Oct 2010 - 23:53</span> <a href="/comment/1053#comment-1053" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1053#comment-1053" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Sir I understand what you are</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Sir I understand what you are saying, and it is a very interesting subject, but it must have a logical answer from a humanistic point. As you say, satan is far more intellegent than any human, and he knows he cannot defeat God. but remember, he has "replaced" God through deception,..but he can never be litterally Jehovah. I hope you see what I am saying. It has to be considered in terms of Satan being a reality. he does exist, and he was created by God,..in other-words he had a beggining and will have an end. but God never did have a beggining. Our human make-up, which includes the various senses of our bodies, is the thing that connects us to the reality of life, on a round ball, in the middle of nowhere,...it's a boggling thaught, but it's a fact. Any person in his right mind has to aknowledge that we are here, and our existense here is not just a dream. But the question is, why are we here? and how did we get here? and why do we get old and die? ... there is no death in God. if you think about it, if there was no such thing as Satan, questiones like this would not exist. Humans have a spiritual identity, that is bound by a physical form or format, in which the one cannot exist without the other. It is this physical form that is begotten via the sperm and the egg, according to God's law of reproduction. but your existence in this particular form, has a beggining, and an end. But if you were an eternal thought in God, way back before the foundation of our universe, then "you" never did have a beginning, and can never have an end. God expressed us into a physical form here on earth to be tried and tested. It is only in this physical form that a person can feel pain, sorrow and anguish etc. God allowed man to fall, and God had to have an opposition. This being in order to express The great attributes or charracteristics that were in Him. It's not that God created evil,.....God created lucifer on a free moral agent basis, but God must have known according to His foreknowledge, that lucifer would become His enemy. He could not be an omnicient God if He did not know that. The great battle that took place between God and Lucifer,..took place in a supernatural dimension. this whole event which probably went on for billions of years is something far to complicated for us insignificant humans to understand. But one thing we do know, is that Satan was ultimately cast down to Earth, where he began his diabolical quest to design an intelectual and scientific age, and age of disbeief in God.....this is exactly how he has been apposing his enemy, God. God's intension for His orriginal creation was an innocent "timeless" existence , which had no such thing as death. But at the same time, we have to aknowledge, that God allowed it to happen for His own devine purpose, and this is what a lot of people don't understand. When God braught the animal kingdom into existence, starting with the lowest form, to the highest form, He knew..., as an omnicient God, that Satan would find that creation,...(the Highest form) Satan knew that his seed would mix with Eve,........This is where 99% of Ministers around the world start getting exposed.....(I hope you are reading between the lines, Sir) It's not the adultry that God could not forgive,.....It's the defiling of the orriginal blood line ,that God could not forgive, outside of a "Blood atonement" The blood line was defiled, which braught about the death process, so God required the "Blood" of an innocent animal as an atonement. God created lucifer to serve His own purpose, in terms of the circumstances that would come upon the human race, as a result of Satans deception, combined with the free will of Adams fallen race. God required innocent blood as a temporary atonement, untill He Himself became a permanent atonement to His fallen race, by taking on the form of flesh via a created sperm and egg, and was born from a virgin woman and not via a sex act. I hope you see it Sir.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1053&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="bU1z6qcLE7fBRLKwix56CiEiVA8_X_pmf3IBcd0b1rA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1054" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287880122"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2010 - 02:28</span> <a href="/comment/1054#comment-1054" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1054#comment-1054" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m afraid I still don&#039;t see</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I'm afraid I still don't see it. I still don't think you have addressed the question of why Satan (or anyone else) would fight a war he knows he is sure to loose. Think of decision theory, for instance, which states that it is irrational for a being to make a choice which it knows to not be optimal for its own wellbeing. Since we agree that Satan is not irrational than he can't possibly make choices that obviously lead to his destruction. Your responses are quite fun to read sir. Most kind of you to take your time to write. Perhaps I am just missing something in your words and will understand someday far in the future when I am older and wiser.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1054&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="rdINwG67nSAUdbpTCO0arQuREhySjtIooTpEXc8UjNU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1053#comment-1053" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Sir I understand what you are</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1055" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287885997"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2010 - 04:06</span> <a href="/comment/1055#comment-1055" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1055#comment-1055" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">your observation about </a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">your observation about (,.... ) is correct. I am a British immigrant. I don't profess to be too wise, but I don't believe there can be any fault in the Bible. It's a spiritual book, and I believe God reveales it to whoever he will. That conflict between God and Satan, is a battle that is now taking place in the mind of man. Faith against reason, or belief against disbelief, the one that gets the upper hand is the one you feed the most. Everything that exists was braught into existence By allmighty God, whether it be natural or spiritual. God had to have a reason, don't you think? there can't be any doubt that Satan was created by God. or how did he get here? Satan is not in a direct conflict with God in a military sense, his conflict with God is deception towards Gods creation. he knows his end is comming and he is going around like a wounded Lion seeking whom he may devour. in other-words he is going to take, by deception, as many souls as he can down with him. and he has had a marvelous success. perhaps you have a better explanation as to why he exists, but the way I have explained it, is the only way that I understand it.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1055&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Th2tkHdTdft0xz3rWVifPbIsjvyHV-2uig4aY-NsIsc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1059" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287933613"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2010 - 17:20</span> <a href="/comment/1059#comment-1059" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1059#comment-1059" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">If I understand this right</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">If I understand this right and I do because like god I am infallible (dont ask me why ask god he created me this way) God is an asshole who believes in nothing, has no morals and imposes chaos and disorder on the universe while Satan is fighting for reason, intelligence and taking away gods power through un-belief in order to stop the corruption. Satan is like Batman and god is gotham God created satan and the angels to keep the humans in line but he saw god breaking those same laws and he felt cheated and deceived and even though it's hopeless he fights for the sake of principle or to put it another way you make an excellent argument for atheism</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1059&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="kIYodmb1OswLqYJJcI1td_mN0SjymiWyN77_x_Gv078"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1055#comment-1055" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">your observation about </a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1088" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289670777"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 13 Nov 2010 - 18:52</span> <a href="/comment/1088#comment-1088" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1088#comment-1088" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">well I don&#039;t know whether I</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">well I don't know whether I can agree with what you say, because God is the Creator, and He is not mocked, regardless of what anyone says about Him. God is not an unforgiving God, and He defineately has the ability to wink at spiritual ignorance. But it is also a very silly thing to directly challenge God, or be contemptious toward Him. John Lennon, of the Beatles did that, and out the window went any grace towards him that every man has, resulting in Satan making a target of him. you simply cannot win. Secondly, there is no dis-order in the universe, you have to realise that there was a time when no substance or matter existed, in any form what so ever. The Charracteristics that were in God, could not be expressed, if no substance was spoken into existence, and He, existed alone. You and I were an attribute in His great thinking, this required an Earth where He could bring His charracteristics into maifestation. This has nothing to do with Athiesm. Whether you support athiesm or not, doesn't make any difference, any one who doesn't believe in a Creator, needs to go outside on a dark night and look up into the univers, something that had a beggining could not have produced itself. Thirdly,Scientific intellegence was never God's original intension, when He produced Man from the dust of the Earth. God placed them here on Earth to live in a timeless innocent existence, " they knew not, that they were naked" untill the Serpent deceived the woman via Satans inspiration, Lucifer was cast down to earth where he found that Serpent, and it was via this Highest form in the creation that Satan accomplished a scientific Eden of his own, in opposition to God. Scientific intelegence became "Joint Heir" with the hybridization of Adams race. and that is why there are grave yards just down the road from you, "incase you haven't noticed." Just look at the technology of the world today. it never was the will of God, One can only marvell at Satans succes. I will leave it to your imagination what his end is going to be, in terms of God allowing Einstein and them how to split the Atom, and it won't be the first time that God's creation on Planet Earth has completely anialated itself. Fact is fact, and reality is reality, you are getting older, and you are going to die. being an atheist, or supporting atheism, is the most futile thing imaginable.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1088&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ai28UAfGcoBDd17YCbRy-CubVDutzuQG_GcNJKJHKVM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1089" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289675340"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 13 Nov 2010 - 20:09</span> <a href="/comment/1089#comment-1089" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1089#comment-1089" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">So John Lennon was shot at 40</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>So John Lennon was shot at 40 because he mocked God, whereas Stalin was allowed to murder millions before dying at the age of 73?</p> <p>Your God is a shithead.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1089&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ciKObuVi1H1w0vuZHz-LgHQkfwvrgiLyIway7d1-YRI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1088#comment-1088" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">well I don&#039;t know whether I</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1090" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289695876"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 14 Nov 2010 - 01:51</span> <a href="/comment/1090#comment-1090" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1090#comment-1090" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Come now Alfred, I don&#039;t</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Come now Alfred, I don't believe you mean that. God has an apointed time for any person, and His enemy, Satan is going to get you, the moment you go out of Gods provided way. that doesn't neccesary mean some guy is going to shoot you, that is just the way it happened with John Lennon. Satan knows exactly how to destroy a person in various ways and God knows how to clean a person up, and put him to service. You are right about Joseph Stalin, he was nothing more than a deveous underhand murderer, in my opinion he was worse than Adolf Hitler. but you have to understand one thing, in terms of what Hitler and Stalin were actually purposed for. Did you know that God raised these two individuals to bring about a specific purpose, and that purpose was to force Israel back to Their ancient homeland under National forces. Did the scriptures not say that Israel would return.? The question that a lot of people ask, is why did the Jews suffer like that? and why the Haulocast on the Jewish Nation in particular. the answer is in the fact that they rejected and crucified their Mesaih, they just could not see their God veiled behind human flesh. and if anyone wants to dissagree with that, let me refresh your memory, about what happened two thousand years back. and here is the exact reason. when Pontious Pilate asked the jews, "what shall I do with this innocent Man"? the Jews responded by saying, Crucify Him, Crucify Him, let His blood be upon us, and our children, and our childrens children. and for two thousand years that is exactly what happened to them, they were finally expelled from their homeland in AD 71, by the Roman General, Titus.and were scattered into every Nation. They rejected their God, so God could not get to them via Spiritual revelation, so He had to use national forces to fulfill scripture. Stalin And Hitler murdered millions, thats right. but neither of them had any representation in God in the first place, so you can just imagine where they are now.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1090&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="CQ-_3wTTpfrScw_q9nS_XQG9xhk1XKWiuuhwwmo5rLc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1091" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289738928"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 14 Nov 2010 - 13:48</span> <a href="/comment/1091#comment-1091" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1091#comment-1091" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Oh now it makes perfect sense</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Oh now it makes perfect sense he's not a shithead he's a fuckhead</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1091&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="l0lAP9f0zq_7l1tw-WZEP78fIIxG646F-OOL9PhqISE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1090#comment-1090" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Come now Alfred, I don&#039;t</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1092" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289744851"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 14 Nov 2010 - 15:27</span> <a href="/comment/1092#comment-1092" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1092#comment-1092" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">There is no point in cursing</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">There is no point in cursing God Sir, The whole life cycle of creation that has taken place here on Earth, from beggining to end, whether it's good or bad, is to bring about a certain outcome that God has planned for His creation. God is no respecter of any particular person, in terms of how succesfull in life he may be. he put man here on Earth as a "free moral agent" giving him a free will, to make his own decisions. That is why it is written that whatever you sew in life, that is what you are going to reap. God is always there to bail you out when you make a wrong decision. it's also written. "Draw near unto Me and I will draw near unto you." it doesn't serve any purpose trying to curse God, why don't you do the "opposite" to what Satan tells you to do. you will soon find out, that God has a better purpose for you, and you will soon find out why God made you a beneficiary of life in the first place. because "How, by taking thought, can you add one inch to your stature."?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1092&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="LzU5vUw3OGkbLJxEl-Peb_HE35c5oxVYCQ6dzHiJXMY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1093" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289827953"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 15 Nov 2010 - 14:32</span> <a href="/comment/1093#comment-1093" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1093#comment-1093" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You make less sense the more</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You make less sense the more you explain it Do we have free will or has god planned a certain outcome, you cant have it both ways and I realise there is no point in cursing but it's a lot of fun</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1093&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="RHJU0wvW6ClJ0Ik3qWYYwrQEN0AL40KJLdghRQXF3FU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1092#comment-1092" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">There is no point in cursing</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1096" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289935791"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 16 Nov 2010 - 20:29</span> <a href="/comment/1096#comment-1096" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1096#comment-1096" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">It is true that omniscience</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">It is true that omniscience and fate conflict fundamentally with free will.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1096&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="uxxQFQ-sGn0f_uxHyVInf_T3HyO9nHOSbJcWu0G3fTs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1092#comment-1092" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">There is no point in cursing</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1109" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290704155"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 25 Nov 2010 - 17:55</span> <a href="/comment/1109#comment-1109" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1109#comment-1109" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">why does it not make sense</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">why does it not make sense sir?, you do have a free will, but because God knows the beginning from the end, He knows exactly what decisions you are going to make. The decisions you make in life will reflect the nature that is in you, and you cannot be what you are not. God has made a representation of it in nature. An Eagle is born an Eagle, and a Crow is born a Crow. An Eagle is a heavenly bird. the higher he flies, the further he can see, and no other bird is presurised to follow him. in other-words, they will both act out the charracteristics of what they are, according to the nature of their species. In the sciptures it says, ( How a man thinks in his heart, so "is" he.) If you think it's a lot of fun cursing God, then you probably won't have too trouble figureing out what side of the fence you were born on, and what, or who, your representation was back there in the beginning. You also shouldn't have too much trouble figureing out whether God has any justification for you, in terms of the price He paid for the redemption of the sons of God. ( Adams Line) Whatever your representation was in the beginning sir, you are going to act accordingly in life. Take a look at a Hybrid plant sir, very succesfull and magestic in life, but look at that same plant when its dead. it's dead and hybrid, and never did have the ability to propagate itself back to the orriginal. If it's still fun cursing God, then you shouldn't be too dissapointed on your death-bed one day. because after-all, a parden is not a parden unless it's accepted as a parden, and Gods own blood atonement is either for you, or it's not for you. What kind are you sir? I guess you know what I mean.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1109&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="4dQKaEJeRjo_04tHo0tz6QD62RSr-tNcOVHwjZysCmU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1110" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290706368"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 25 Nov 2010 - 18:32</span> <a href="/comment/1110#comment-1110" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1110#comment-1110" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Unfortunately those of us who</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Unfortunately those of us who believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster take a different view of such matters. I'd explain more if I could remember what what it was.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1110&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="TOZZ5rraYQGo1Y8cuEqGxFQvm_ltSGKu5ydg3XI9WJU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1109#comment-1109" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">why does it not make sense</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1113" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290831524"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 27 Nov 2010 - 05:18</span> <a href="/comment/1113#comment-1113" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1113#comment-1113" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">If your god created me or</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">If your god created me or created a system that would inevitably create me in such a way that I would for whatever reason be smart enough to not believe in myths then it is equally as likely that Allah created both of us with evil souls so that we would both believe different but equally wrong things. I point this out because I dont beleive in any god so when I call your god a fuckhead I am referring to any creator who would punish their creation because the creator made an imperfect creation or even deliberately flawed as you seem to imply. What kind am I? No I dont know what you mean, none of your analogies make sense, most plant hybrid can produce offspring unlike animal hybrids. There is a crow species the Yellow-billed chough which has been seen at the summit of everest, almost 5 times the height that most eagles reach. You keep insisting that a person has free will then saying things are pre-determined. Even if you got your facts right I agree that free will is an illusion, that why I'm calling your omniscient god an asshole, he belongs in hell. You make no sense to me because I when I argue a point using logic and reason you reply with 600 year old rhetoric and non-nonsensical babble and that is disapointing because I like to have my mistakes pointed out to me or discover new ideas.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1113&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="2V-6keDej64xAUG5aDVLNz9mm2XA1MUZYckmwhVSq1o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1109#comment-1109" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">why does it not make sense</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1111" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290737422"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 26 Nov 2010 - 03:10</span> <a href="/comment/1111#comment-1111" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1111#comment-1111" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I don&#039;t know about flying</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I don't know about flying spagetti monsters, but i'm sure there are a few indescribable things flying around in the regions of the lost. Imagine the "horrific thing" waiting for you there in that dimension. You cannot say that God hasn't bestowed any grace upon you. he kept your heart beating while you were cursing Him, didn't He? it's better to Praise God, Alfred, as apposed to cursing Him. there is a lot of eternal benefits in it, and cursing God cannot do your health any good. and i'm sure you value your health.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1111&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="bGTtMhgdDx5H29Oi4oFWj-FP1z3CTt1t9aVJIuTrGI0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1117" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290925305"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 28 Nov 2010 - 07:21</span> <a href="/comment/1117#comment-1117" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1117#comment-1117" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Sir, God never did punished</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Sir, God never did punished His creation for anything that is beyond a persons controll. and He did not cause His creation to fall. He is not an unjust God. but it is true to say that He did "Allow" His creation to fall. that is a completely different story. but He did that in order to express the redemptive saviour attribute that was in Him, as the all encompassing , self existing, intrinsic creator. You have to remember Sir, that we are not infinite. and we live in a world that is full of injustice from a natural stand point, and a world that is full of questionable things,in terms of what we would consider a perfect world ,or what we would consider the perfect existence here on earth, that God intended. God had a certain requirement back there in the beginning, when Man fell, and he "did" fall Sir. that is why His creation gets old and dies. God never did pre -program Eve to be hoodwinked by the Serpent. But God, being a just God, new that His creation could never meet His requirement on a permanent basis. He knew that His creation could not regenerate himself back to it's orriginal innocent existence. That is why God , being a just God, and a God that was mindfull of you, took on the form of flesh two thousand years back. Contrary to popular belief, God did not send some other person here, two thousand years back to die for the human race. God did not die by representation Sir. it was Jehovah God Himself that took on the form of flesh. it was Jehovah God Himself, that paid His own blood atonement reqiurement, thereby setting you free Sir, In other-words, you are free to go Sir, because , He became you, that you might become Him. Your ticket to eternal life has been paid for Sir. If there is one thing that you have to do, to add to that, then he died in vain. don't tell me he is an unjust God. It's a shocking thing to imagine, how the great creator, could be so mindfull of you and I, that He was prepared to allow His own creation to despise and reject Him, in His physical expression, two thousand years back, and submit Himself to the brutality of the Roman Empire, so that you and I Sir, don't have to face the finality of death, which was braught about , by the fall of Adams race. Humanity could not wish for a better God.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1117&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="rUYjkEYZ7CFcyfepr5Amy9Zms7xmKBynnMYGsBmQ73k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1118" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1290952687"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 28 Nov 2010 - 14:58</span> <a href="/comment/1118#comment-1118" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1118#comment-1118" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">SANITY-PRESERVING CENSORSHIP</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p><strong>SANITY-PRESERVING CENSORSHIP NOTICE</strong>: If anyone really wants more of this sort of bollocks, they will find similar nutters handing out leaflets in their nearest shopping centre. Any further comments of this nature will be deleted as boring.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1118&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="YZ6i6ujp7fJ0JalZ48usY2P9uJ27nAoDTsQJS4KQpbA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1117#comment-1117" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Sir, God never did punished</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1129" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1291424095"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 04 Dec 2010 - 01:54</span> <a href="/comment/1129#comment-1129" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1129#comment-1129" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">it is interesting to read</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">it is interesting to read peoples views on life and religion. it makes one realise that we are all kind of different. I don't think there is any harm in it. There are groups of people around the USA that believe in that particular Serpent seed doctrine, and they follow a man by the name of William Branham, who I believe expounded on the book of genesis, and pointed that Serpent seed thing out. It sounds very much by the way you write, and your understanding, that you must be one of these followers. However, there is a book that I can recomend that you read. it goes by the name of, The two Babylons, by Hyslop. I'm not sure what his innitials are,but the book is often refered to as Hyslops two babylons. It is a very interesting book explaining the orrigins of a lot of different beliefs that are around today.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1129&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="hSlsvi1uzkc1OGlCw-6OFsetxWKfXfJYcBx05ftGbc0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1130" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1291466077"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 04 Dec 2010 - 13:34</span> <a href="/comment/1130#comment-1130" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1130#comment-1130" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The book is by Alexander</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">The book is by Alexander Hyslop</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1130&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="u-y7KMriUcPF86Q4TCHQODd9JkPQ6VopI0mJNEAWwOI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1151" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293124477"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 23 Dec 2010 - 18:14</span> <a href="/comment/1151#comment-1151" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1151#comment-1151" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Standing somewhere in the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Standing somewhere in the Shadows, you will find Jesus, and you will know Him by the nail scars in His hands” This is the opening verse of a song that is commonly sung amongst Christians around the world. Though touching as it may sound, and perhaps harmless and joyful in its presentation. A decision nevertheless needs to be made, as to the reality of God as a person in our present grace dispensation. this being in terms of Christians being under the delusion, that Jesus can perhaps be found standing in a shadow somewhere, with nail scars in His hands. It was however a possibility that could have existed, had we been anywhere near the land of Israel, two thousand years ago, where Jesus could have perhaps been found standing out of the direct Middle East sunshine. This possibility no longer existing, by reason of the fact that, Jehovah God, having completed His atonement requirement, no longer exists in a flesh and blood format, and therefore can no longer be known after the flesh, but exists only as the Holy Spirit, in His present Grace dispensation of time. This also being underscored by the fact that Jesus Christ, never was in any way lost in the first place, and does not, at any time need to be found by anyone. Therefore, if any finding is going to be done, it will be done by that Great Eagle, searching for His own kind that went missing, before the foundation of the Earth, and destined to be made manifest at the end time. Unless of course, some individual happens to be standing in a shadow somewhere, suggesting that he is in fact Jesus of Nazareth. but on closer inspection, revealing that no such nail scars exist in his hands, and obviously not Jesus of Nazareth after all, and the only burden that he would like to relieve one of, would be a small object of about three inches square, commonly referred to as a wallet. Or perhaps some individual with robes down to his feet, standing in a shadow somewhere, with the “sweetest” of voices emanating from him, in his attempt to advertize a sale or promotion, whereby the relatives of all humanity can be relieved from eternal damnation at a discounted price. Futhermore The Great Jehovah God, and His marvelous savior Characteristic, or attribute, not only made Himself known to His creation, by the written Word, commonly known as the Holy Bible. but also undertook to express Himself in His great natural creations, as a representation in type, of the whole plan of redemption for His elected few, to marvel and wonder at. His great natural creations freely given by Himself, as a gift to each of His elected few, that have lived and died, recognizing their day and age they were given to see. The first of these great manifestations, being the infinity of the universe that surrounds us, which in itself is an expression of the fact, that an awe inspiring Creator, is the author of the most mindboggling intangible reality called life. This great universe, that surrounds us, with its mathematical perfection, and staggering beauty of its constellations, is but a small portion that is visible to us, via the physicality of our human existence on Planet Earth. The great constellations starting with Virgo, the Virgin, as a representation of Christ’s first coming, born of a virgin, through Immaculate Conception. and ending with the Constellation of Leo, as a representation of Christ’s second coming, to Israel as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. God, having laid the foundations, in His creation, of a Planetary Constellation representing each and every manifested son of God that ever existed in His great thinking. This would not only apply to the present Adamic civilization on Planet Earth, but as well as all Pre-Adamic life cycles of creation on Planet Earth, and elsewhere in the infinity of the universe, which he created for His own purpose. This fact being a humbling reality, in terms of this great awe inspiring God, being so mindful of His own, who are seemingly so insignificant in comparison. The second of these masterful manifestations, being the great pyramid in Egypt. These pyramids, having been purposed by God, to be designed and built by His faithful servant Enoch, who built them as a reflection on Earth, in solid stone, of the constellation of stars in the universe, directly above them. His great plan of redemption is thereby expressed, in terms of the mathematical numeric’s of the pyramid base, which culminates to a single capstone at the top of the pyramid, this being a representation of Christ, crowned as the sovereign God over His elected bride, down through the ages. and is clearly reflected, in the most accurate construction, ever erected by man, on planet Earth. Though this capstone, being a symbolic representation of Christ, was nevertheless rejected during the pyramids construction, and was never placed on the great pyramid in Egypt, as a completion of this whole masterpiece . This capstone being rejected for some mathematical reason in its construction, and perhaps unbeknown to its builders at the time , was foreshadowing Christ’s rejection by His own ,almost three thousand years later. God having purposed this capstone to be rejected, by reason of “stone”, which was used in its construction, being a solid substance, that could not in any way, substitute for God’s own flesh and blood, that would be required to die as a permanent atonement for Adams fallen race. Christ himself, having paid the ultimate price, would one day be crowned as the lion of the tribe of Judah. This being symbolically represented by the lion of the constellation of Leo, that stands guard near the great pyramid in Egypt, as a majestic masterpiece, cut from solid stone, as it stares into eternity, as the long suffering weather beaten icon of God, patiently waiting for that glorious hour that will finally fulfill its purpose. It is however an unfortunate fact, that this great masterpiece, now being commonly referred to as the Sphinx, was later re-designed and carved by the Egyptian civilization, after the antediluvian destruction, to represent an Egyptian Pharaoh’s head, on a lion’s body. the pharaoh’s head, now replacing the original lions head, being completely out of proportion to the rest of the lion’s body. The lions body being still in its original form, as it once stood. The great pyramid in Egypt, and the staggering mathematical perfection of its construction, must have no doubt been an awesome sight to behold. with its finely fitted and highly polished casing stones, as it glistened in the sunlight, testifying of the greatness of God, as an inspiration to the ingenuity of man, and the years of toil it must have taken in its construction. This great pyramid, being positioned exactly on the four cardinal points of the compass, together with its highly polished casing stones, casted no shadow on the ground at the time, regardless of the position of the everyday sun around it. The marvelous redemption plan of God expressed in solid stone, in His compassion and love for His own elected few. Though, the great pyramid’s construction took place in a scientifically advanced age , which was ultimately destroyed by the antediluvian destruction. These pyramids, nevertheless still stand as a challenge to eternity, and can still be seen today, with the absence of the capstone on the great pyramid, clearly conspicuous, as it stands on the Giza Plateau in Cairo Egypt. It is also interesting to note, that man in his present technological and scientific advancement, still lack the capabilities, to in any way reproduce, or remove these great monuments of God, even if they were compelled to. This being, by reason of our present technological advancements, being nowhere near the technological level of the age in which these monuments were constructed, and the method of their construction , still remain a mystery to man today. The avenue of scientific knowledge, which was presented to Eve by Satan, via the Serpent, was excepted, according to her own gullible disposition, as an alternative to an existence of simplicity and innocence before God. By Michael A Wilson Winona Minnesota USA</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1151&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="v79Gx0FIIE1R0XSzsGzHipL7NV1QuvDnFfCo28MTcAY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1152" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293125513"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 23 Dec 2010 - 18:31</span> <a href="/comment/1152#comment-1152" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1152#comment-1152" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Ah, the mystery of the Great</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Ah, the mystery of the Great Pyramid. Read carefully: http://www.science-projects.com/Pyramid.htm</p> <blockquote> <p>The avenue of scientific knowledge, which was presented to Eve by Satan, via the Serpent, was excepted, according to her own gullible disposition, as an alternative to an existence of simplicity and innocence before God.</p> </blockquote> <p>Where in your magic book does it mention science? The knowledge in question is that of good and evil. Your notion of simplicity and innocence is simple ignorance, a subject which you appear to have studied to degree level.</p> <p>It's wonderful how you know all this stuff, without any doubt nor a shred of evidence. Ever heard of the sin of pride? That includes presuming to know things that you simply wish or feel might be true, and failing to give other views due consideration.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1152&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="vM7iBbz5PY0_GWbKvvKgfu8lLtz1GR-peQqJRavR5U8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1151#comment-1151" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Standing somewhere in the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1172" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293768163"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 31 Dec 2010 - 05:02</span> <a href="/comment/1172#comment-1172" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1172#comment-1172" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m pretty sure we could</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I'm pretty sure we could easily remove the pyramids. At least give a little credit to atomic tec. And what about the larger Aztec Pyramids? I think your essay lacks completeness.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1172&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="3G--D7-4OQtiOb2NTrHiLSto41xY1BGSMB_SlGIC_J0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1151#comment-1151" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Standing somewhere in the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1153" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293158641"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 24 Dec 2010 - 03:44</span> <a href="/comment/1153#comment-1153" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1153#comment-1153" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">did you know, that omongst</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">did you know, that omongst all the different beliefs and different philosophies there has to be a truth. A counterfeit dollar has to be someone's attempt to impersonate, or copy the orriginal. otherwise it cannot be regarded as a coutrfeit. God would not be a just God if He did not give us the truth. But the problem comes when a person cannot believe it, and God cannot show it to a person that cannot believe it. but at the same time God is obligated to show it to a person that has a serious interest in the mysteries that are hidden between the lines of the word of God in it's face value. What I have written about the book of Genesis, is what God has shown me via spiritual revelation, and that is how God will show it to anyone. It's not a question of being arrogantly proud, and ofcours there is no way of producing evedence to what God reveales to a person. what God does for someone, He has to do the exact same for anyone, if He is approached on the same basis. But one thing is true, not everyone has the ability to put it into words. we are all different in that respect. If a person cannot believe the Bible, then he is going to latch onto some other intelectual explanation about the orrigins of Man etc. and he is going to believe that, it doesn't mean that he is a bad person, but he never will know, if he really has the truth of it, and will live his whole life in constant defence of some belief that he is not sure of himself, That is why the Bible brings about so many arguments amongst people.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1153&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="MhygGo7GNmuwzGW3zBxJ_gwrkUerkh58GKzhjzljmv4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1154" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293183046"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 24 Dec 2010 - 10:30</span> <a href="/comment/1154#comment-1154" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1154#comment-1154" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Funny how God reveals</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Funny how God reveals different things to people, isn't it? Otherwise all believers would be united. Oh, sorry, perhaps some of them aren't really from God. So again, we're back to presumption. You believe you have a channel to God, but those other guys over there, who disagree with you, surely don't. And that's not arrogant?</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1154&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="dKeg8JLiB0XWnjvwSgqKUMrXKJjjmcrU3WpLUmTgOKg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1153#comment-1153" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">did you know, that omongst</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1155" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293219366"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 24 Dec 2010 - 20:36</span> <a href="/comment/1155#comment-1155" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1155#comment-1155" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I understand what you are</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I understand what you are saying, and God does reveal different things to different people, but God cannot reaveal something that is contrary to His own Word, because after all He wrote it. A person that has no representation in God, will have absolutely no interest in it anyway. But there are also a lot of people that do have representation in God, but don't realise it, untill The Great Creator starts to tune in to that gene of God that they are born with. God might even bring a person right to his death-bed before he see's it. In other-words, a Salmon was born a Salmon, and a see snake, was born a see snake. all God does is cast the net. If you are a part of God, then you never did have a beginning, and you can no more go lost than God can, but God has to get His own kind to see it. He also deals with every individual in different ways, according to their personalities and gifts that they were born with. No single individual on earth, can say who they are. only God knows that. and if a person happens to be arrogant, well let me tell you, when God is finished with him, he sure won't have any interest in arrogance.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1155&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="QEGU59hOUR7QIUezYTpDLt7pMXd6K3TdiInmoXdtGNY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1156" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293221122"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 24 Dec 2010 - 21:05</span> <a href="/comment/1156#comment-1156" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1156#comment-1156" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Blimey, your God is a dull</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Blimey, your God is a dull old stick, isn't he? Any further ramblings on these lines will be deleted.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1156&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="seISuFPTmX4LxUjs78Wz9O37LnufmJJAbYdBilrlaBo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1155#comment-1155" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I understand what you are</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1157" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293230582"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 24 Dec 2010 - 23:43</span> <a href="/comment/1157#comment-1157" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1157#comment-1157" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Something interesting OKLO:</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Something interesting OKLO: AN UNAPPRECIATED COSMIC PHENOMENON "In 1972, French scientists discovered that several natural concentrations of uranium ore had become critical and flared up some "2 billion" years ago at Oklo, Gabon. The concentration and configuration of the natural uranium and surrounding materials at that time had been just right to sustain fission. The Oklo Mines. Source: In fact, the analysis of the nuclear waste in the burned rocks demonstrated that plutonium had also been created. This implies that natural breeder reactors are also possible, raising the possibility of hitherto unappreciated, long-lived heat sources deep in the earth, in the other planets, and inside some of the stars. Don't worry that the Oklo phenomenon might occur today on the earth's surface. The concentration of fissionable U-235 has fallen considerably in the last 2 billion years due to its radioactive decay. But, deep inside the earth and other astronomical bodies, nuclear criticality might still be possible due to different pressures, densities, etc. In a stimulating and generally overlooked paper in Eos, J.M. Herndon proffers four important natural phenomena that may involve natural fission reactors. Geomagnetic reversals. In the deep earth, where pressures and densities are high, natural nuclear reactors may generate intermittent bursts of heat -- just as they did at Oklo -- and thereby cause the earth's dynamo to falter and reverse. Planetary heating. Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune emit much more energy than they receive from the sun. Natural nuclear reactors could be the reason. Stellar thermonuclear ignition. Astronomers assume that the high temperatures required to ignite the thermonuclear reactions powering stars come from gravitational collapse, but this source does not seem adequate to some scientists. Nuclear fission reactors could ignite stars just as they do H-bombs. Missing matter. Natural nuclear reactors are finicky. There may be many star-sized, non-luminous objects out there that were never ignited and that we cannot see through our telescopes. Science Frontiers Online Evidence at Mohenjo-Daro When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death. These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon.The cities were wiped out entirely. While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1157&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="cHHg9fcWw-tnLGCW_-apR4IkZ8sBjRYi09an4fbJLKs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1159" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293346228"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 26 Dec 2010 - 07:50</span> <a href="/comment/1159#comment-1159" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1159#comment-1159" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">This comments thread is</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">This comments thread is giving me a headache. Will the Christians kindly shove off?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1159&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="r-a94_htO2HMQwb87UvyipeNSTMcG1Ev24uN3fsOhRE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1163" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293579957"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">HappyChappy (not verified)</span> on 29 Dec 2010 - 00:45</span> <a href="/comment/1163#comment-1163" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1163#comment-1163" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The Christians are gone, </a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">The Christians are gone, Here comes Hare Krishna, the reprobate.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1163&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="eaFHyQ_wSd49k33pbk_odOzTes8QczXnVvBvj0CnJkU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1164" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1293654760"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MistaMike (not verified)</span> on 29 Dec 2010 - 21:32</span> <a href="/comment/1164#comment-1164" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1164#comment-1164" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Come now,you guys. Enough</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Come now,you guys. Enough has been said about Earth's Earliest Ages, and the mysteries of the bible to last a lifetime. you cannot expect everyone to agree with it. so CHANGE THE SUBJECT NOW.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1164&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="HDSvEBB5PZxi6jD6oFURa0OXiYUiiTqXlSmITTNDSak"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1179" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294010526"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 03 Jan 2011 - 00:22</span> <a href="/comment/1179#comment-1179" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1179#comment-1179" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">It&#039;s true that people tend to</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">It's true that people tend to harp on a particular subject. But regardless of what subject people start to discuss, it somehow tends to come out to a discussion on the mystery of life, and the present reality of man on Earth. As the astro-physicist, Steven Hawkins once said, Who are we? and why are we here? this is a subject that still remains a mystery, and a subject that is a very interesting one. As we all know, there are many different explanations about it, as well as many different religeous philosophies trying to explain it. But one thing we do know, "SantMatt" never created it, "Confusious" never created it, "Budda" never created it, and neither did the Egyptian God "Ra" have anything to do with it. but we are still faced with the preverbial question, where did it come from? Did it evolve? if it did evolve, then what did it evolve from?, because there was a time that substance or matter did not exist at all. It takes thousands of hours, and hundreds of Engineers, to design and build a Jumbo jet, which incidently use Benouli's Principle, to create what is refered to as Lift. This fact can be clearly seen in the design of a birds wing. So if someone had to design and build a Jumbo Jet, then who designed and made the bird, which is infineitely more complicated. Jehovah and the Bible, so far has been regarded as the ultimate explanation as to the orrigins of life, and this is clearly reflected in the one thousand or more different denominational beliefs revoving around this same Bible. However,most tend to bind themselves to a dogmatic, or legalistic stance, which they believe is required by God, in order for them to receive any understanding as to how or why God created them. in most cases, no further insight is entered into, in terms of the huge amount of information that might be written between the lines,and this is the problem that often gives rise to what is refered to as "Silly Christianity." If someone is going to believe what the Bible says, then let him acknowledge this. There is nowhere in the Bible, that suggests that God created the Earth in six literal days, as even some very educated people believe, because it is clearly written that a day to God, is "as" a thousand years, and a thousand years is "as" a day. It does not say that a day "is" a thousand years. .This clearly signifying that it could well be a million years to God, or a billion years to God, or perhaps a hundred billion years in the making. which I personally believe it did take to bring the universe and life into existence. this being from a human standpoint, because God does not exist in time. How it happened, remains the greatest mystery.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1179&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="XozETc9UzexjjsGvQJqjEQk2m84BUWdWbnpE7qR_FLk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1180" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294036662"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 03 Jan 2011 - 07:37</span> <a href="/comment/1180#comment-1180" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1180#comment-1180" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You believe that god created</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You believe that god created us but ra didn't? Ra is far more likely because he is the 'older' god, jehovah doesn't show up for thousands of years after ra. It would seem infinitely more likely that jehova is really a naughty Egyptian god playing tricks on gullible people so they...well I cant imagine why a god would play tricks on humans I'm not a silly christian. Of course if a god really created humans there should be 3-400,000 year old scripture, which could tell us how to achieve faster than light travel so that we could explore the universe he clearly put a lot of effort into creating. Of course thats just a suggestion but more useful than a guide on how to treat your indentured slaves.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1180&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="27bq6yJ0ijYNR_jBoGpw5uUxFaeTTqU2xGXE8chRqfM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1179#comment-1179" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">It&#039;s true that people tend to</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1189" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294189260"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 05 Jan 2011 - 02:01</span> <a href="/comment/1189#comment-1189" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1189#comment-1189" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">[DELETED FOR BEING OFF-TOPIC</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>[DELETED FOR BEING OFF-TOPIC RAMBLING]</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1189&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="11hXQQXYvNMZhfNyOFSKYsWQXC1QTLYgXwagkAvThzc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1209" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1295488595"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MistaMike (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2011 - 02:56</span> <a href="/comment/1209#comment-1209" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1209#comment-1209" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">isn&#039;t it a strange thing, in</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">isn't it a strange thing, in this highly educated and scientific world that we live in, people are still so narrow minded and almost completely blind, in terms of the reality of their own existence. The possibility of any previous civilizations on this earth is almost considered madness. In our present civilizations quest to go to Mars, in the hope of finding life there, little do they realise that people have been there before, way back in the remote past. What would the particular reason be, that we are the only ones on Earth that ever became an advanced civilization.? given the fact that present man has an average lifespan of three score and ten years. so what does he really know.? God must look down and laugh at us. Do people really think, that this great Creator of life, only created once here on Earth.? and what about other Planets that might be a thousand times bigger than Earth?. There can be no doubt, that there must be hundreds of thousands of civilizations on various size planets in the universe, and Planet Earth is just one of them. GH Pember was obviously a guy that saw a lot more than most people realise.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1209&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="1naZ6ASPdzwrXGGQKlyNjLeNENcjH5Iuo1VnVgIVQ_8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1216" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1296087657"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 27 Jan 2011 - 01:20</span> <a href="/comment/1216#comment-1216" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1216#comment-1216" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I think a planet 1000 times</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I think a planet 1000 times the size of the earth would probably be a pretty tough place to live for any sort of life that vaguely resembles ours, possibly even being large enough to form into a star. Jupiter is about 350 times the size of the earth. Cute thought though.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1216&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="XzFXTZsZzKBO-Nc77aaMSSAyVxonK-aCtp32eK4Zmoo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1209#comment-1209" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">isn&#039;t it a strange thing, in</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MistaMike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1224" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1296869984"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MistaMike (not verified)</span> on 05 Feb 2011 - 02:39</span> <a href="/comment/1224#comment-1224" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1224#comment-1224" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You might be right, if you</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You might be right, if you are refereing to the gravity of a large planet and the relative size of us humans. I just don't think there is any way of knowing exactly what God has out there, in terms of size. There defineately are civilizations out there, but God has put them so far from each-other, and from our reach, for the simple reason that we could never be emotionally prepared to face another civilization, that might be a million years or more ahead of us. or a million years behind us. I think the human race would die of heart failure, or shock. Just imagine it?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1224&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="TrAx8-o4d5nErLp65YY4QszNaZUeQHjq_n1k-pTv5MI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1228" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1297128379"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 08 Feb 2011 - 02:26</span> <a href="/comment/1228#comment-1228" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1228#comment-1228" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">If I happened to be present</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">If I happened to be present at the event of an alien contact I would probably check to see if any of the alien babes were hot, ask if they had the secret to eternal youth, cheap, clean electricity and ask to see what their latest video games were. They would inform me that they didn't become interstellar travelers by chasing girls, vanity or having meaningless fun and give me Ayn Rand's latest piece of jaunty fiction (Or Mao's Little Red Book, whatever) at which point I would loose interest. If they said "We are here to usher you into the age of Aquarius and turn you into a being of pure light. The reason the earth is screwed up isn't human error and free will but just because of astronomy." I would run for the hills and find a cave to hide in till they left. No heart attacks.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1228&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="94UDtqmvhF94AeMIeQTW20LvNf6P_LBJl7PezLATOMw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1234" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1297739141"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MistaMike (not verified)</span> on 15 Feb 2011 - 04:05</span> <a href="/comment/1234#comment-1234" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1234#comment-1234" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I don&#039;t know about the &quot;Hot</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I don't know about the "Hot Chics" or the hot babes, but I would be careful not to get too close to one of them. they might look good on the outside, but who knows what might be on the inside. your heart might not be able to cope with it, and you might die of heart failure anyway LOL. But at the same time, the question that often comes to mind, is, if any advanced civilization has found the elixer of life etc, and they are technologically advanced enough to travel across light years of space, then why would they want to come here? Planet Earth is so insignificant in comparison to the countless billions of planetary systems in the universe. There are more planets out there then there are grains of sand on the earth. so what would the attraction be ? unless they just happend to come upon our planet by pure chance. that is the mystery of all these UFO's people are seing. unless they are not mechanical devices at all, but in fact, investigating "pockets of light" coming from a different diamention into ours. sometimes moving slowly, and sometime making unbelievably fast ninety degree turns and instantly dissapearing. but then again, what are they looking for?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1234&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="LMjTTqovOYnYYqz056uMoCSxvCUCxjPIwojOnUUhllA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1257" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1299199682"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hermes Trigmagistos (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2011 - 01:48</span> <a href="/comment/1257#comment-1257" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1257#comment-1257" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Those investigating pockets</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Those investigating pockets of light that you are refering to might well be God checking things over here, before all hell breaks loose here on Planet Earth again. Just the same as the warning God gave the Antedeluvian world before the earth was shifted on it's axis, by those scientific people, throwing the polar regions into the direct sun and causing a deluge which destroyed that whole civilization.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1257&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Zgzf3MziLOkKFP8mmYR28W15UtoS_nWqcrBdP5DZ_9A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1258" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1299230444"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 04 Mar 2011 - 10:20</span> <a href="/comment/1258#comment-1258" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1258#comment-1258" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I assume you were there when</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I assume you were there when all this was going on, since you are so confident about it, "Hermes"? <cite><br /> </cite></p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1258&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="YWgt8FBv93pxmN1R6M7x_-9L9nrsbDjJCJ7DdOI2VUg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1257#comment-1257" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Those investigating pockets</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hermes Trigmagistos (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1261" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1299542530"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 08 Mar 2011 - 01:02</span> <a href="/comment/1261#comment-1261" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1261#comment-1261" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Julius Caesar crossed the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon, but neither you nor I were there. I told you the truth about everything else. Earths earliest ages, the fall of man, Serpent Seed, the Great Pyramids. the Antedeluvian destruction, to mention but a few. and I have barely scratched the surface. would you prefer it, if I told you a lie. ? and what would I gain by it seeing that you have absolutely no idea who I am. Would you like to know what that was, that exploded in Tunguska Siberia in 1908,? I can tell you that too, if you like.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1261&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="SyHGzDKA3OEvtjTmKlqU5mOetPEXf-M2aqftgoLjBtg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1265" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1299576334"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 08 Mar 2011 - 10:25</span> <a href="/comment/1265#comment-1265" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1265#comment-1265" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">How do you know Julius Caesar</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>How do you know Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon? It's considered likely because accounts are supported by independent evidence. The "Fall of Man", on the other hand is a fairy tale.</p> <p>Your contributions are neither original, amusing nor enlightening, so please don't bother in future.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1265&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="MaFSBcXIhC8t02fOdYfTY9V38BVCiGN0tqbuUYS3DHE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1261#comment-1261" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Julius Caesar crossed the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1273" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1300628492"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">anonymous (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2011 - 14:41</span> <a href="/comment/1273#comment-1273" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1273#comment-1273" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I think you will be perhaps a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I think you will be perhaps a little more enlightened a little later in life, when you begin to realize that your destiny with your final appointment is fast aproaching. You are going to be forced to acknowledge that Man did fall afterall, otherwise you would not be in that situation in the first place,and that front loader would not be waisting it's time digging a six foot hole for you. That's right, we are all destined to fall, and it's defineately not "orriginal" or amusing. did you say that the fall of man is a fairytale? without any disrespect to you Sir, but I have a feeling that you don't know what you are talking about. It might not be such a good "contribution" but I urge you take a closer look at those grey hairs and those stooping shoulders. that in itself should shake you back to reality.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1273&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="jQimKP93FRqWtoVl6F-jn57qw9Pm8_GdzjCYMSJXTjs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1274" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1300661739"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 20 Mar 2011 - 23:55</span> <a href="/comment/1274#comment-1274" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1274#comment-1274" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">We&#039;re all going to die,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>We're all going to die, that's true. Unlike you, though, I am prepared to believe that Daddy can't make it all better (providing that in life you observed Daddy's arbitrary and somewhat self-contradictory rules, that is).</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1274&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="jyPFgePbhOQIlHTaa_t3qVb-TROpFIROo9SLEffJ_nc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1275" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1300926216"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 24 Mar 2011 - 01:23</span> <a href="/comment/1275#comment-1275" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1275#comment-1275" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">When you come to the end of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">When you come to the end of the road, and you find out that you were "right" in what you say, then you have nothing to loose. But what if you come to the end, and you realise that you have been wrong. Then you are going to die alone. Your opportuneity to live again in a timeless and problem free existence is lost forever, with no chance, or time to retrieve it. The conclusions that you have come to, in regards to" contradictions" are based purely on human intelectual reasoning, which is only available so long as the blood keeps flowing to your brain. When that begins to stop, then your reasoning is going to fade out Sir. It will be a good time to have someone with you, to take you across the curtain of time. I can tell by the way you write, that you are a very educated person. But take my advise Sir, regardless of how educated we might be, don't "gamble", via human reasoning, with the greatest gift of all, which God has already given you, as a downpayment.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1275&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="lEmoFJsO6s93W_d6_KJf9WWOwvj_Ny0MUQfpA_P0eKY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1277" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1300952182"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 24 Mar 2011 - 08:36</span> <a href="/comment/1277#comment-1277" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1277#comment-1277" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Just one question, are you</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Just one question, are you talking about a particular god? I mean this is the wrong place to mention this, but it is really confusing when a theist doesn't name their god or mention their denomination. For the moment I'll assume it's Thor.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1277&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="LTMg72qqYCODwvgv0X1eHRLWW6ITuaBWjbibO4ERzeU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1275#comment-1275" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">When you come to the end of</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1284" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1300999589"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 24 Mar 2011 - 21:46</span> <a href="/comment/1284#comment-1284" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1284#comment-1284" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The god Thor, is just a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">The god Thor, is just a figment of some Viking's over active imagination. there is only one living God and that is "Jehovah" or Elohim, the all encompassing self existing one, who's image you and I were created in, the auther of life, and no other god exist's beside Him. There is no mention of Thor in the Word of God. God is a spirit,and Jesus Christ was the "Person" of God, and it was Him that paid the ultimate price, and not some imaginary, muscle bound character weilding a fifty pound war hammer. There is also no mention of any particular denomination having anything to do with it either. it was a "Divine Person" that took your place that day and not some religeous organisation.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1284&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="8WHpD0bL85uPimV4BiLfMQZK0T8f6Hj5A84eQpcrmuM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1285" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301044975"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 25 Mar 2011 - 10:22</span> <a href="/comment/1285#comment-1285" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1285#comment-1285" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Unfortunately the evil Loki</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Unfortunately the evil Loki has clouded your mind and is preventing you from seeing the truth. This Elohim you speak of is just the figment of some ancient middle-eastern imagination.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1285&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="4ZDYTh7cjuzAYu_TThaCZ6Cwjwv7U3hc-8omfwDlLOM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1284#comment-1284" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The god Thor, is just a</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1288" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301228429"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 27 Mar 2011 - 14:20</span> <a href="/comment/1288#comment-1288" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1288#comment-1288" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wait, wait, wait, waaaaait a</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Wait, wait, wait, waaaaait a minute, thor isn't real? You are telling me that Thor the Norse god isn't real? How did I not know this? Odin is still real though right?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1288&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="kechzOjlkXR509M5__iJcPgTtB-dc7e87jjvHP50RRQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1284#comment-1284" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The god Thor, is just a</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1286" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301098185"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 26 Mar 2011 - 01:09</span> <a href="/comment/1286#comment-1286" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1286#comment-1286" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, i&#039;ll tell you what,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Well, i'll tell you what, Sir. I am fully prepared to tell this Evil Loki, to stop pulling the wool over my eyes, and stop deceiving me all these years, into believing that Jehovah is the only living God. " Get thee behind me, thou evil Loki"..... I'm sure that he has got the message. Now that I am fully delivered, the only thing left for me to do, is to urge you to show me the truth, which you say that I was blinded to. In other-words there must be a way for me to get into contact with "your" God. Surely He must be a living God, ready to accept me with open arms. " if you know what I'm saying" because you woudn't want someone to think, that a man of your calibur, would ever believe in a god that was just a figment of your imagination. ofcourse not, now why would anybody think that?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1286&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="1Qr64dIBUoER07oOnUD2gli3BP-r6CIMtIbwxpHzms0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1287" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301141583"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 26 Mar 2011 - 13:13</span> <a href="/comment/1287#comment-1287" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1287#comment-1287" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have given up on those</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I have given up on those Norse Gods, too drab and old-fashioned.  Keep up!</p> <p>Just this morning a representative of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster knocked on my door and asked me to devote my life to the worship of His Noodliness. So that's where I'm getting my spiritual munchies now.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1287&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="HWbGba-E3YPsYssNS0Lffxc4RjJ40qdQeXCvpcIYl20"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1286#comment-1286" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, i&#039;ll tell you what,</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1289" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301233891"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 27 Mar 2011 - 15:51</span> <a href="/comment/1289#comment-1289" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1289#comment-1289" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I think Thor and Odin are big</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I think Thor and Odin are big buddies, probably both Viking War gods. As I mentioned,they are usually depicted weilding war Hammers or battle swords, and chasing females (valkyries) around in an imaginary place called Valhalla, lol, or something like that. do they really exist? I doubt it, but i'm sure some people believe that. No wonder those Vikings, weren't happy, unless they were killing something. it didn't matter either, what it was, so long as it moved.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1289&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="dg-c_Ev2ZPyl93xPyeAnzGWDSoS1q11Fuq0dObQtrqw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1290" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301234498"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 27 Mar 2011 - 16:01</span> <a href="/comment/1290#comment-1290" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1290#comment-1290" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wow, you really are an expert</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Wow, you really are an expert on these matters. This why you are taken so seriously.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1290&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="lMx3Wp_FwBCvvKfRu6A53YipJYadyUJILaIFX-IRWbg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1289#comment-1289" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I think Thor and Odin are big</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1291" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301286535"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 28 Mar 2011 - 06:28</span> <a href="/comment/1291#comment-1291" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1291#comment-1291" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Yes the Scandanavians</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Yes the Scandanavians immediately became pacifists upon discovering christianity like all the other monotheist, oh wait no they didn't, in fact they attacked their eastern and southern neighbors and killed anyone who wouldn't convert.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1291&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="aRsflK2xxwrlq3WaPLcG_uWR1RJkmGp3kxYeQ5a0O-M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1289#comment-1289" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I think Thor and Odin are big</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1292" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301353980"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 29 Mar 2011 - 01:13</span> <a href="/comment/1292#comment-1292" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1292#comment-1292" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Exciting, isn&#039;t</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Exciting, isn't it?</p> <p><em><strong>[Remainder removed for not being exciting nor indeed interesting. The same will occur for future boring posts of this nature. And before anyone cries censorship, this ain't a public debating chamber.]</strong></em></p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1292&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="E-rVPASa_oiJ5bxEVWD_HB-IBz7o0anok8W2xhiKaKU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1294" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301441117"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">HappyChappy (not verified)</span> on 30 Mar 2011 - 01:25</span> <a href="/comment/1294#comment-1294" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1294#comment-1294" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">WOW, I am surprised. it was</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">WOW, I am surprised. it was quite interesting following that guy, whatever was deleted. It seems like someone did take him serous after all. It's a real Pitty. happy chappy John USA</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1294&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="BGzBsHKHyJ5tRQQY79wiU3ILbnn8NnUkYoYUTv47PW8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1295" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301474467"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 30 Mar 2011 - 10:41</span> <a href="/comment/1295#comment-1295" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1295#comment-1295" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">&quot;that guy&quot; is you, you</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>"that guy" is you, you pathetic oaf. And editing your burblings about Jesus does not mean I take them any more seriously than the spammers who post about red hot cum or cheap mortgages. </p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1295&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="H-SDNtABHsBIxLvBzAA0R0yqz-FcVe-lh7QdrWMwktM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1294#comment-1294" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">WOW, I am surprised. it was</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">HappyChappy (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1300" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1301983215"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lo Sconosciuto (not verified)</span> on 05 Apr 2011 - 08:00</span> <a href="/comment/1300#comment-1300" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1300#comment-1300" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Funny, I always thought the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Funny, I always thought the whole serpent story was a penis allegory and an attempt to prohibit cunnilingus (a peach would have been a better image than an apple, but let's not quibble). More seriously, an adamantine adherence to the Bible as "true" history seems to be sadly wrongheaded. As Wittgenstein so brilliantly pointed out "might we not say: It is important that this narrative should not be more than quite averagely historically possible <i>just so that</i> this should not be taken as the essential, decisive thing? So that the <i>letter</i> should not be believed more strongly than is proper and the <i>spirit</i> may receive its due."</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1300&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="f8I_QaVoypbuxiItW8dEe-bqXrWZtOHhJV2yAaOqBbA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1305" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302404641"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 10 Apr 2011 - 05:04</span> <a href="/comment/1305#comment-1305" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1305#comment-1305" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You talking about cunnilingus</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">You talking about cunnilingus Mister. what about when the worms are eating her body while she's lying six feet under the ground, "you silly man" (More seriously, an adamantine adherence to the Bible as "true" history seems to be sadly wrongheaded.) " according to who Mister?" God has always used simplicity to hide Himself. God is still God, and He knows how to use a little bit of simplicity to rattle a person right off his high horse too. What do you think you are deeling with Mister.? do you really think that you, or any other person is rightfully justified to take it upon himself, to be Gods own devine interpreter.? When He said, "Let there be light" perhaps a billion years later, an atom burst, and the sun came into existence, it's a fact Mister, and that very light has kept you alive so far. You need to sit down, and do some seroius thinking, instead of talking "Tripe"</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1305&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="rQmv1DRRKpT1gnhKTEBEFLS2vatiz5eapfLpyNPfPyc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1309" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302760234"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 14 Apr 2011 - 07:50</span> <a href="/comment/1309#comment-1309" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1309#comment-1309" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m not sure what the hell</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I'm not sure what the hell you are trying to convey about "worms eating her body" but damn! You are creepy!!</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1309&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="d3LJQ0nbWn0P2pLwJZ9s3hiaFDa0B7GCDFSuaauk3H0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1305#comment-1305" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You talking about cunnilingus</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1306" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302666521"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 13 Apr 2011 - 05:48</span> <a href="/comment/1306#comment-1306" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1306#comment-1306" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">One thing for sure, the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">One thing for sure, the Serpent never played up to Eve, in order to eat a bunch of apples with her. Most people believe that, and even scientists have gone there to Mesopotamia to test the acidity, and alkalinity of the soil, in an attempt to figure out exactly what fruit it was. the final conclusion, according to their tests, is that it was an apricot. (eat of the fruit) is the terminology that the Bible uses to describe a sex act, but in this case, it was the woman that was the fruit tree. The reason that people don't see it, is because it is written in such simplicity, that they miss it completely. They realised they were "naked",after they ate of the fruit and then Cain was born.. An apple or an apricot do not have the qualities of making a person realise that they are naked.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1306&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="49kzxhdXZ5eWEUIq3i5fUArp2LdhfGu1f5YmRS_of14"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1307" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302684772"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 13 Apr 2011 - 10:52</span> <a href="/comment/1307#comment-1307" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1307#comment-1307" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">These are the same sort of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>These are the same sort of scientists, I guess, who might investigate how Santa Claus manages to maintain a herd of reindeer at the North Pole.</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1307&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="vzNXX5bvpS6EOEPzPYcXuuWTmz6vg3WCxIQfgzjBINs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1306#comment-1306" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">One thing for sure, the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1308" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302759714"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lord Kefka (not verified)</span> on 14 Apr 2011 - 07:41</span> <a href="/comment/1308#comment-1308" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1308#comment-1308" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Why do people think that god</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Why do people think that god cares so much about sex? Why is god so freaked out about two people doing it but not at all bothered that telling them about more important things like soap or bacteria how to desalinize salt water? Why? Its because people invented god and people are very nervous about sex, especially the ones who tend to like religion.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1308&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="puTjbOgC_JQZ8DCKo3jMYXXrirbQdDQKDc8-DqGAHno"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1306#comment-1306" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">One thing for sure, the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1310" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302812677"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 14 Apr 2011 - 22:24</span> <a href="/comment/1310#comment-1310" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1310#comment-1310" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I don&#039;t think it was the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I don't think it was the actual sex act, that was the problem, because they were put there with male and female genitals. it was the outcome of that particular sex act, that caused the casm between God and His creation, this bringing the whole creation down, including the animal kingdom, and also causing the animal kingdom to go into a wild survival mode. have you ever wondered why there are very few wild animals that don't scatter at the sight of a human.?</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1310&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Y-GssJBKakAIAt-c5S4YPVtbayJtfRh0gtSzU77N__8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1312" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302842583"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">pseudonym (not verified)</span> on 15 Apr 2011 - 06:43</span> <a href="/comment/1312#comment-1312" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1312#comment-1312" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I have wondered about that,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">I have wondered about that, someone told me that the animals that didn't run away were hunted to extinction by humans, what a crazy idiot, the only extinct animals are ones that noah couldn't fit on the boat. It's a real shame god didn't tell him to build it bigger I would have liked to see a dodo.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1312&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="1tvhwrAsurCpN3Lf5QydscOjRaZYmSoymyJ-YuDPxxI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1310#comment-1310" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I don&#039;t think it was the</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1311" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302832680"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 15 Apr 2011 - 03:58</span> <a href="/comment/1311#comment-1311" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1311#comment-1311" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">[removed for being WAY</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>[removed for being WAY TOO BORING]</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1311&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="xj5h8pP3pd_Uwr3ClC-Mz3sVUHOT5o1h3zcarpomwEc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1313" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1302970260"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 16 Apr 2011 - 18:11</span> <a href="/comment/1313#comment-1313" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1313#comment-1313" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">[removed for being</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>[removed for being insufferably tedious]</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1313&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="40cifb1j4F3xnZorEHacKNZP7N2ehx8gOY41xOHSkkU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1321" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1303585320"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">anonymous (not verified)</span> on 23 Apr 2011 - 21:02</span> <a href="/comment/1321#comment-1321" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1321#comment-1321" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">[deleted]</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>[deleted]</p></div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1321&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="75yUXYXTicmSRjHo5V9-8hHYUeRElgrmbGI8C4v0ZA0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1716" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1334935513"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rob (not verified)</span> on 20 Apr 2012 - 17:25</span> <a href="/comment/1716#comment-1716" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1716#comment-1716" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hi, and thank you for this</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Hi, and thank you for this wonderful opportunity to read various views of reality. It really is enlightening to read how different people look at the universe from our human perspective and come to such diverse conclusions. I read Pember's book back in the late '70s, and thought that it was a interesting attempt to reconcile geology and various religious views and spiritual beliefs. So please continue to provide this forum for serious banter. I would encourage everyone to avoid ridicule if possible. It never seems to help anyone to find truth.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1716&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="E0ecgphJ2YQoT_2KUkz0cMMWW_x0BBYgIqPOXA5S2Do"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1725" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1335564222"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous (not verified)</span> on 28 Apr 2012 - 00:03</span> <a href="/comment/1725#comment-1725" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1725#comment-1725" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">well, yes it is a very good</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">well, yes it is a very good book, the demonology part of it was a bit complicated, but it did open the door for us to see, the vast ages of time that lay before our Adamic Age. The earth is a lot older than we can imagine, and there was more than likely many ages of Advanced Civilizations during this time.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1725&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="SNiHJB5tA22m8_dhXeTb86EvU4rQhK1OWPYE0PWGJQc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1745" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1346197140"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://pereubu.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Pere Ubu (not verified)</a> on 29 Aug 2012 - 01:39</span> <a href="/comment/1745#comment-1745" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1745#comment-1745" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Wow, I don&#039;t know what&#039;s more</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Wow, I don&#039;t know what&#039;s more frightening - Jehovah as a sadistic SOB (wiping out &quot;numberless&quot; pre-Adamic humans) or the credulous boobs coming here to defend Pember. If I was actually interested in wasting my time, I&#039;d go through the comments and tot up all the tired BS trotted out in the defense of the sick incompetent YHVH. </p> <p>The book he dictated says he exists - oooooh, how could you argue with THAT? *snerk*</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1745&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="-3QH1ja9quzJNAd--bVpYq04mmDb1TW_2FU6jBh7P0s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1748" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1346724532"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 04 Sep 2012 - 04:08</span> <a href="/comment/1748#comment-1748" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1748#comment-1748" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The Question still remains, </a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>The Question still remains, who are we? how did we get here on this Planet,<br /> and why are we here? it&#039;s true to say that we, as intellegent beings, live<br /> on a Planet, &quot;slap bang&quot; in the middle of nowhere. What are the chances of<br /> it being just a coincidence? surely there must be some superior intellegence<br /> in controll of it for some reason</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1748&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="KHl50ZhtFNzxpOt7adbQ-CwKZDeBcsXLoxcb9Rj5mHo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1749" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1346826014"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 05 Sep 2012 - 08:20</span> <a href="/comment/1749#comment-1749" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1749#comment-1749" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Nope, it&#039;s just a coincidence</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Nope, it&#039;s just a coincidence. Sorry.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1749&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="-uJLCuxr2A-5k6Or9kTwBlnZJSDVVUYf-9OLFYKMzl8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1748#comment-1748" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The Question still remains, </a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1761" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1349055381"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 01 Oct 2012 - 03:36</span> <a href="/comment/1761#comment-1761" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1761#comment-1761" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Just a coincidence, is an</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Just a coincidence, is an easy way out, but look at us, we can understand mathematics, physics and electronics to<br /> an unimaginable degree, and look what we have produced for ourselves from the dust of the Earth that we live on.?<br /> We live to a certain age and then we die. we also have the ability to produce offspring like ourselves,and they will die too,<br /> so it goes on. unlike the marvelous animal kingdom, we wear cothes to cover our nakedness, but scientists say that we are just<br /> animal, then why the clothes? It&#039;s pretty evedent that we are more than just intellegent animals. so the baffling mystery goes on</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1761&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="12NuQ09qVe0STFfmxDRAExE0--itm1RJ96q0CwfAf9A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1762" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1349309695"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rob (not verified)</span> on 04 Oct 2012 - 02:14</span> <a href="/comment/1762#comment-1762" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1762#comment-1762" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I&#039;m not sure that even you</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I&#039;m not sure that even you yourself understand what you&#039;re trying to say...<br /> Since as far as I can make out, you think that that&#039;s the one thing that sets us apart from animals, I&#039;ll try to answer the big question: Why the clothes?<br /> Because it&#039;s often cold where most of us now live and we don&#039;t have fur. Because clothes don&#039;t really hinder us (which they would if we&#039;d live in the water or be able to fly) but can save us from sunburn and protect us mechanically. And because we have opposable thumbs allowing us to make and put on clothes and we&#039;re intelligent enough to invent clothing.<br /> And, yes, as far as we know, we&#039;re the most intelligent animal on this planet. But it&#039;s not by an astronomical margin; quite a lot of what we tend to think of as purely human achievements of the mind - like logical thought, the ability to predict future events by observation of the present, humor, love, compassion (and gratuitous violence on the other side of the lovability spectrum), complex language and the usage of names for individual members of a group - can be found in other animals, too.<br /> Admittedly, you might have a bit pf a point, since the concept of modesty (as in permanently hiding your genitals) and religion seem to be purely human inventions. But if an almighty got had made these traits, you&#039;d expect them to be instincts, which they&#039;re not.<br /> If you want to, I could try to elaborate the last point, but for now I&#039;ll go to sleep...</p> <p>Cheers!</p> <p>Rob</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1762&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="tD4GXRaaBctkRqVTHRgs4Lnq7_QIeRpr2pLADl82b50"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1761#comment-1761" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Just a coincidence, is an</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1767" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1350662395"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 19 Oct 2012 - 17:59</span> <a href="/comment/1767#comment-1767" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1767#comment-1767" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">If you consider the Bonobo</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>If you consider the Bonobo Chimpanzee which is supposed to be our closest &quot;evolutionary&quot; connection, It shares about 96% of our<br /> ( human) DNA, and yet it cannot utter even one word of any human laguage, it still remains just an animal,<br /> and it also cannot interbreed with a human. From a physical standpoint it has hand, feet eyes nose etc, just like a human does,<br /> as-well as many human charracteristics and expressions. Also it is absolutely pre-occupied with sex.<br /> But in every other aspect, it is a million miles from a human. It can&#039;t even add 1+ 1 together.<br /> If people believe that we evolved from some animal, how come this evolutionary process never went any higher than a human.?<br /> If an animal cannot cross with a human, then how did those &quot;animal charracteristics&quot; get into the human race?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1767&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Lq38zvuRV4aL2jJmTqqYQYkxS1SY_l801I8LJVhvaiQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1768" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1350992970"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 23 Oct 2012 - 13:49</span> <a href="/comment/1768#comment-1768" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1768#comment-1768" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You are the best proof of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>You are the best proof of evolution... God would never create someone this dumb.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1768&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="zLNjdOMfs5HdmsfK5c22pijbj9YHM6_n3MvgmGUFgk8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1767#comment-1767" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">If you consider the Bonobo</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1769" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351006040"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 23 Oct 2012 - 17:27</span> <a href="/comment/1769#comment-1769" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1769#comment-1769" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I was expecting that kind of</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>I was expecting that kind of reponse, but you still haven&#039;t answered the question.<br /> people usually respond like that when their back&#039;s are against the wall.<br /> how did that sexual depravity that is in that Bonobo Chimpanzee get into the human<br /> race? Google it yourself on youtube and take a look.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1769&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="V0x8edsC7m_V07cKP6oMzrQkpDi_DfApICdl9mTWpHg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1770" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351110307"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" about="/users/alfred-armstrong" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alfred Armstrong</span> on 24 Oct 2012 - 22:25</span> <a href="/comment/1770#comment-1770" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1770#comment-1770" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Oh no, you got us, you</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body">Oh no, you got us, you brainiac.</div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1770&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="cKKVpmO89HfdYbqqrHJRqI3VbMvuHT5XJLtZPZV93V8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1769#comment-1769" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I was expecting that kind of</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1772" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351575822"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 30 Oct 2012 - 06:43</span> <a href="/comment/1772#comment-1772" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1772#comment-1772" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Again I repeat, you are the</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Again I repeat, you are the best proof of evolution. Good job.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1772&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="iZiw3l0Sg5VQj4FD6Ne2vb3OI5jwV8cLmafjp-jbB2c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1769#comment-1769" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">I was expecting that kind of</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1781" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1355549797"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 15 Dec 2012 - 06:36</span> <a href="/comment/1781#comment-1781" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1781#comment-1781" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You are right, I have got</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>You are right, I have got you, that was a foregone conclusion, in otherwords, Checkmate!<br /> and you are obviously the very finality of ignorance.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1781&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="joyE9TZ2mjFHFxSnjLOmmqE6GFPj7epKqoJkD0uKOjw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1782" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1355690596"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 16 Dec 2012 - 21:43</span> <a href="/comment/1782#comment-1782" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1782#comment-1782" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">If God made Adam from dirt,</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>If God made Adam from dirt, why does dirt still exist? Checkmate, Creationists.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1782&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="DzFWY88ns5Xw9kiUf2LPr3M5rVYgcB7xvUlaX_EjO10"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1781#comment-1781" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">You are right, I have got</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1832" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1362203838"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 02 Mar 2013 - 06:57</span> <a href="/comment/1832#comment-1832" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1832#comment-1832" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The answer to that is quite</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>The answer to that is quite simple, There was a dispensation of &quot;life developement&quot;<br /> or a period of time in which God brooded over the Earth, an evolution of chemicals,<br /> whereby our physical form was developed via intellegent design. Each &quot;Genus&quot; after<br /> it&#039;s kind, and there are many species that are part of a specific<br /> Genus, that were produced from the &quot;dust of the earth&quot; There is no mention that all &quot;dirt&quot; turned into physical life. Substance had a beginning, and substance appeared via the<br /> Word of God , where no substance existed. The very thing that brought substance into existence, was faith. When God said , &quot;let there be&quot; and perhaps a billion years<br /> later an atom burst, and the sun come into existence, and the earth spewed off of the sun<br /> containing all the required chemicals, for the developement of life, in the primordial waters<br /> that subsequently covered the earth. Genesis 1:20 explaines that clearly.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1832&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="YBIw8evb4IOj1VqXZ-i5sUZrLOA9PPKSXxcRyngscko"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1839" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363680909"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 19 Mar 2013 - 09:15</span> <a href="/comment/1839#comment-1839" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1839#comment-1839" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Hmmm... you still haven&#039;t</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Hmmm... you still haven&#039;t explain why there&#039;s still dust around. If everything was produced from dust, then there should be no dust left, otherwise it would still be turning into animals... I think you&#039;re just trying to evade because you don&#039;t have the answer.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1839&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="fkksM8BwgLnhNOdLsV0rcSgcqqAOC4iZ_fHYUfvNTE8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1832#comment-1832" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">The answer to that is quite</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1847" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1364839512"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 01 Apr 2013 - 20:05</span> <a href="/comment/1847#comment-1847" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1847#comment-1847" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">What purpose would it serve</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>What purpose would it serve God, if He turned all dust into moving life, all dust meaning<br /> all substance. What would the creation be walking on?. He made the Earth first, and<br /> then during a creation dispensation of perhaps thousands of years, He brought moving<br /> life and plant life into existance using the various chemicals etc. that were already there.<br /> No man can know exactly how God did it. This is absolutely beyond man&#039;s comprehention.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1847&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="xbKv800a-CZLzDIUuff6CDQLDp9BfSJmXRRlOVxcJr8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1848" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1365166382"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">psuedonym (not verified)</span> on 05 Apr 2013 - 14:53</span> <a href="/comment/1848#comment-1848" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1848#comment-1848" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well it&#039;s seems like either</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Well it&#039;s seems like either you are guessing so you know nothing about what god did or he told you which means you know exactly how he did it, of course we would only have your word to go on.<br /> I dont understand why god would create humans without the ability to comprehend him or his actions? Seems like an oversight.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1848&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="mBYJeVxf8e3P5c-iNUEZchXNC-zOKBXroAD-R14utYs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1847#comment-1847" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">What purpose would it serve</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1849" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1365487266"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 09 Apr 2013 - 08:01</span> <a href="/comment/1849#comment-1849" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1849#comment-1849" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">One thing for sure, we do</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>One thing for sure, we do exist. So if life started in the primordial waters that covered the earth<br /> back then, it still had to have come into existence somehow. life isn&#039;t substance, it is intangible.<br /> and the chemicals etc,in the earth, only support it. now you have to agree with me, that this is<br /> completely out of mans understanding. An atom, is still substance, So where is this substance<br /> comming from? that makes up an atom, one can go smaller than an atom, and smaller and smaller<br /> and down a million miles from the diamentions of an atom. The question is, where is it comming from?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1849&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ALWM9wBBpSp42J4uH3t0pp0qF7mROALmLaMjoXoKp9E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1850" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1365541779"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 09 Apr 2013 - 23:09</span> <a href="/comment/1850#comment-1850" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1850#comment-1850" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Where did you come from? Once</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Where did you come from? Once you figure out the full answer to that question, the conclusion should be obvious.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1850&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="k5WHIuAq5orc3kFq3GnQ2AmBJvDrnM0XRp_KathvC0k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1849#comment-1849" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">One thing for sure, we do</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1860" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1367987225"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 08 May 2013 - 06:27</span> <a href="/comment/1860#comment-1860" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1860#comment-1860" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, I once did ask that</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Well, I once did ask that question, how did you happen to be here on planet Earth.? were you in the foreknowedge of God, as an attribute in Him?<br /> or are you part of serpent Seed, that had no part in God, other than to live your alotted time on Earth, after which you cannot go any further.<br /> just like a hybrid plant. magestic in it&#039;s life, but with no chance of getting back to its orrigin in death. regeneration, and eternal life are to them<br /> that are expressions of God,( the righteous line from Seth) which one are you?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1860&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="NWjH_0hNEDvEDux8GviOzIeKbaaHCQ4pX0AmmodgFJU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1862" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1368437631"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 13 May 2013 - 11:33</span> <a href="/comment/1862#comment-1862" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1862#comment-1862" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Like all Subgenius, I&#039;m</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Like all Subgenius, I&#039;m actually descended from the Yeti. Completely different lineage, not created by God at all. I don&#039;t want to brag, but we&#039;re also better than you, by the way.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1862&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ch-gGkiNHlaKZVAFG8S7C4Ur7ZK5ng3Uw8Q62UVWioU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1860#comment-1860" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, I once did ask that</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1892" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1373688687"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span> on 13 Jul 2013 - 06:11</span> <a href="/comment/1892#comment-1892" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1892#comment-1892" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, you don&#039;t really expect</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Well, you don&#039;t really expect me to believe that, do you? how are you going to stop the ageing process in you,? which, by the way, is the result of disbelief. If you came from the &quot;yeti&quot; and you are better than me,.......then how come we are both getting older, and going to die soon.? unless you have other plans LOL.<br /> So it matters not whether your IQ is north or South of the &quot;intellectual&quot; scale, you still remain subject to the Word of God,....The soul that sinneth shall die, ( physically and spiritually) if you think you came from some animal, then try putting an animals blood in , to prolong your life. it won&#039;t take you too long to realize that you don&#039;t come from some yeti, and you ain&#039;t any better than me after-all. you will have a few minutes to live though.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1892&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="ilMRclUnfsOlRbi5q85_-fXb2Zyex1Ewq5nb617Ntt8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"><article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1893" class="js-comment mb-4"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1373710523"></mark> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-10"> <div class="card"> <div class="card-header d-flex justify-content-between"> <span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">FrancoisTremblay (not verified)</a> on 13 Jul 2013 - 12:15</span> <a href="/comment/1893#comment-1893" hreflang="und">Permalink</a> </div> <div class="card-body"> <h3 class="visually-hidden"><a href="/comment/1893#comment-1893" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Geesh, it&#039;s like you</a></h3> <div class="comment-node-oddbook__comment-body"><p>Geesh, it&#039;s like you Christians think we all want to proselyte like you do. I really couldn&#039;t care less if you believe me or not.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1893&amp;1=default&amp;2=und&amp;3=" token="Y4C6KNEi0DT1bnzSflmMm2Amo5T4a-uM4eyG9wm6fa4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> </div> </div> </div> <footer> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1892#comment-1892" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="und">Well, you don&#039;t really expect</a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> </section> Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:07:43 +0000 Alfred Armstrong 122 at http://oddbooks.com http://oddbooks.com/oddbooks/pember.html#comments